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BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

The video reveals something important about the human condition. And that is when we look at things as black and white we start to suffer. It's almost impossible for all of us to not eat meat. The video should be focusing on the harsh treatment of animals and exploring ways to reduce it which I can agree with. Not trying to convert.

Our society is too woven together and interdependent for anyone to take any advocate too seriously on this matter as situation like this makes hypocrites of nearly everyone. For example: you can stand up against what you see in the video but that means you'd have stop going to the zoo because your patronage enables animal imprisonment.

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

.Ex wrote:

EvGa wrote:

That was funny.

Funny for a 5 year old....It doesn't make sense when you note that some animals eat other animals.

Love · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 5336 **Location:**

BuDo wrote:

.Ex wrote:

EvGa wrote:

That was funny.

Funny for a 5 year old....It doesn't make sense when you note that some animals eat other animals.

Lions suck = /

Do you know where any of those motherfukers live ? I will go to their house and break their legs, I swear to god.

EvGa · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 2612 **Location:** Texas

BuDo wrote:

.Ex wrote:

EvGa wrote:

That was funny.

Funny for a 5 year old....It doesn't make sense when you note that some animals eat other animals.

It wasn't meant to be that serious.. :soosad:

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:20 am

This made me feel sad for human species.

Ryoko · **Joined:** Dec 2005 **Posts:** 6390 **Location:**

Without industrial animal farming we wouldn't be able to feed the nation. When you have 300 million people, free range chicken farms just don't cut it.

You see on television that egg farms often have some 5 million hens in 5 industrial hen houses and the conditions in which they live out their lives. It is sad, but in all honesty, I like eggs. Alot. Despite the amount of cholesterol in eggs, they are high in protein, low in calories and cheaper than dirt. And I don't wanna pay 10$ a carton for them either.

The same goes for chicken meat. A boneless chicken breast has about 110 calories. Thats 1/3 the amount of calories in a McDouble sandwich

The last part of the picture is that propaganda groups show you the worst case scenarios. Reputable farms treat their animals in a very humane manor. Animals have been eating animals since the Cambrian era. We are no different. We are just better at it.

Until its time for the chopping block of course >:) nom nom

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PS: Theres a big difference between a vegetarian, and a vegan.

Ryoko · **Joined:** Dec 2005 **Posts:** 6390 **Location:**

BuDo wrote:

For example: you can stand up against what you see in the video but that means you'd have stop going to the zoo because your patronage enables animal imprisonment.

I admit, I did feel pretty bad for the snow leopard at the zoo. One of the worlds rarest animals, trapped in an 8x8 box. On the other hand, it felt amazing to look upon one. I dont think most visitors understand that there is only about 5000 of these left. At least at the zoo nobody will shoot him. heh

inky · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 4025 **Location:**

I had a long discussion about this with 2 philosophy majors. One is a carnivore omnivore and the other is a strict vegan (except if the animal dies from natural causes, apparently, then she'll eat it). I came to the conclusion that: I don't like that we eat animals despite the fact that we can get our protein from non-animal products. However, I'm a sucker for the taste of meat and I'm way too lazy to push myself to get used to consuming legumes and beans for protein.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to drool watching some Epic Meal Time.

tl:dr - Bacon too tasty.

Skyve · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 7328 **Location:** Canada

BuDo wrote:

Funny for a 5 year old....It doesn't make sense when you note that some animals eat other animals.

You're hardcore. No shit there's carnivores.

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

.Ex wrote:

BuDo wrote:

Funny for a 5 year old....It doesn't make sense when you note that some animals eat other animals.

You're hardcore. No shit there's carnivores.

?? You don't get it?...Vegetarians eating all the animal's food would mean they'd have to eat some animals as well since those animals are food for other animals....I'm hardcore? Read what my post was in response to before you start jumping the gun.

apan · **Joined:** Feb 2009 **Posts:** 958 **Location:**

You people don't understand. I'm not saying we should stop eating meat. I'm saying that the mistreating of animals should stop.

Just because you eat meat doesn't mean you have to buy it from somebody who kicks his pigs and hit his calfs.

takolin · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 4238 **Location:** Life

BuDo wrote:

For example: you can stand up against what you see in the video but that means you'd have stop going to the zoo because your patronage enables animal imprisonment.

Well the other alternative to the zoo is getting extinct for some animal species due to hunt or destruction of their natural environment. So the zoo option can be the lesser of 2 evils in come cases.

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

Evry animal that is to give up its life for your.. should be treated with respect
And all methods of euthanasia should produce a quick and painless death
Instead of being left to suffer in fear and pain. Seriously!

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:06 am

Try "halal meat", if you want to reduce things like this to happen in the future

Isis · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 4171 **Location:**

Master_of_Puppets wrote:

This movie is for puss.ies... jokes aside this movie was somewhat disturbing, but the end ruined it.. all that to try to persuade people to become VEGAN??? so wait wait wait wait, your telling us to basically ruin our nutrition for poor little animals? ya no thanks, I wont ever even THINK of becoming a vegetarian, and even worse vegan.

I am vegan, there is nothing unhealthy about being vegan.

I don't eat meat, haven't done so in 17 years, I don't drink/eat milk products and I don't eat eggs. This is my choice to do so, I won't argue the fact that most on here eat meat, that is their choice, and I will respect that, as long as people respect why I am vegan. There is just so much cruelty in the world, and I cannot buy into that. I don't wear leather, or wool or silk, I don't use any products that are tested on animals.

I haven't watched the video and I don't intend on watching it, so I don't know what it is about.

Swindler · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:02 pm

apan wrote:

Swindler wrote:

apan wrote:

This just makes me sick. I don't understand how somebody can do something like this to an animal.

If anybody know somebody in the video, please tell me where he lives and I'll break/cut off his arms and legs.

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Spoiler!

Wait, someone is hurting an animal, and you want to cut the arms and legs off the animal that hurted the other animal? Hypocrite.

You're calling me a hypocrite? These people torture animals, all I wanna do is teach him a lesson that will stick with him for the rest of his life. I'm pretty sure that he won't forget that he only has one arm. And I'd like to see him tell people why.

So you wanna torture the animal that torture the other animal? If yes, then you're a hypocrite. When people hear what you did to this animal, someone will take on the same force on you, in that way a evil circle will start that's full of torturing.

Why do we always have to take on force? Talking comes a long way, a pot of tea and you're good to go.

takolin · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 4238 **Location:** Life

NuclearSilo wrote:

Try "halal meat", if you want to reduce things like this to happen in the future

Slitting the throat of an animal while it bleeds to death without any sedation or any other method that reduces discomfort and a death that can take a while for larger animals such as cattle?

Anyway the only health problem that can be caused by veganism is the lack of certain vitamins though careful planning of what you eat and supplements if required can counter that.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2011 2:46 pm

Bleed to death, maybe not. But slaughtering, yes. It's even more comfort that methods mentioned in the video above.

apan · **Joined:** Feb 2009 **Posts:** 958 **Location:**

Swindler wrote:

So you wanna torture the animal that torture the other animal? If yes, then you're a hypocrite. When people hear what you did to this animal, someone will take on the same force on you, in that way a evil circle will start that's full of torturing.

Why do we always have to take on force? Talking comes a long way, a pot of tea and you're good to go.

There's a big difference between torture and punishment.

takolin · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 4238 **Location:** Life

NuclearSilo wrote:

Bleed to death, maybe not. But slaughtering, yes. It's even more comfort that methods mentioned in the video above.

Well normal cattle gets sedated with the use of an electric shock which prevents further discomfort and takes a few seconds before they cut theartery and let the animal bleed to death. The halal procedure however forbids the use of the shock and thus the animal is forced to undergo more discomfort.

Fiction · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:47 pm

Am I the only one that thinks Apan is just running his mouth and he doesn't actually have the balls or the strength to take another man's arm off? lol

Stop crying over shit like this, pull your mother's tit out of your mouth and say hello to the real world brah!

House · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 258 **Location:**

Fiction wrote:

Am I the only one that thinks Apan is just running his mouth and he doesn't actually have the balls or the strength to take another man's arm off? lol

Stop crying over shit like this, pull your mother's tit out of your mouth and say hello to the real world brah!

This.

The Invisible · **Joined:** Jan 2011 **Posts:** 2626 **Location:** Home ._.

takolin wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

Bleed to death, maybe not. But slaughtering, yes. It's even more comfort that methods mentioned in the video above.

Well normal cattle gets sedated with the use of an electric shock which prevents further discomfort and takes a few seconds before they cut theartery and let the animal bleed to death. The halal procedure however forbids the use of the shock and thus the animal is forced to undergo more discomfort.

Muslims are taught through the Qu'ran that all animals should be treated with respect and well cared for. The goal is to slaughter the animal, limiting the amount of pain the animal will endure.
When an animal is slaughtered, the jugular vein is cut and the blood is allowed to drain from the animal. Remember, Muslims are prohibited from consuming animal blood.

Halal meat is made in a way to drain away blood which has many diseases and causes diseases in people who eat meat in which blood has not been drained. It is also meat that does not spoil as quickly.
scientists have shown beyond doubt that Muslim-slaughtered (Halal) meat is the most electrically balanced meat, and therefore most hygienic and healthy.

Halal is One of the Most Humane Methods of Animal Slaughter:

Animals Slaughtered the Muslim Way does NOT Cause Harm to the Animal

Spoiler!

Allah calls for mercy in everything. So be merciful when you slaughter; sharpen your blade to relieve its pain.

According to Kamoonpuri (1998), the prescribed method of slaughtering an animal in Islam saves the animal from any kind of pain. When the animals major blood vessel in the neck is cut-off that produces an immediate stunning effect. The advantage of not cutting the spinal cord is that the brain continues to send it electrical impulses to the heart demanding blood. As all the blood is drained, the pipeline, which takes blood to the brain, has already been cut off. The violent reactions in the animal are from the natural muscular contraction and no pain is experienced. Kamoonpuri (1998) mentions two researchers, Gucel and Erbil who subscribe to the fact that blood can cause toxicity in the animal's meat, all has to be drained, and the Islamic way of slaughtering takes care of that.

Schultz and Hazim surgically implanted several electrodes at various points on the skull of animal subjects; then making a deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck of the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides. Some animals were then slaughtered by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck cutting the jugular veins and the carotid arteries of sides as well as the trachea and esophagus (Islamic Method). Other animals were stunned using a Captive Bolt Pistol (CBP). During the experiment, electroencephalograph (EEG) and electrocardiograms (EKG) recorded the condition of the brain and the heart of all animals. The results were as follows:
Islamic Method
1. During the first three seconds after slaughtering, the EEG did not record any change, thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision.

2. For the following three seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep unconsciousness. This is due to the large quantity of blood gushing out of the body.

3. After this total of six seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all.

4. As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving maximum blood out of the body.
Stunning
1. The animals were apparently unconscious soon after stunning but the EEG showed severe pain immediately after stunning.

2. The heart of the stunned animal stopped beating earlier than the one slaughtered the Islamic way thus resulting in the retention of more blood in the meat.

Professor Schultz and Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University in Germany concluded the following through an experiment:
Islamic way of slaughtering is the most humane, compassionate and sympathetic method of slaughter (no pain, deep sleep recorded due to the large quantity of blood gushing out from the body), and that the captive bolt stunning practiced by the Western methods causes severe pain to the animal.

Midori · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3425 **Location:**

takolin wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

Bleed to death, maybe not. But slaughtering, yes. It's even more comfort that methods mentioned in the video above.

Well normal cattle gets sedated with the use of an electric shock which prevents further discomfort and takes a few seconds before they cut theartery and let the animal bleed to death. The halal procedure however forbids the use of the shock and thus the animal is forced to undergo more discomfort.

Actually, studies have pointed that it is the opposite.

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

Humans have been domesticating animals for like forever.
and they have also been eating them forever.
Hell id say keeping animals as pets is worse than eating them for food...

[SD]Master_Wong · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:09 pm

Meat eater and im happy with how things are, in these videos they show the extremes of the industry the ones who are either not following the systems rules or following them so close to the breaking point there is no difference. For the majority of my meat i know where abouts its from and if i wanted i could even go the farm, i dont go out to buy this meat specially large supermarkets have taken onboard the cruel conditions they are exposed to and forced a change, orangic food is always kept in the best conditions, free range eggs, farm assured meats and poultry, ocean farmed fish.

Here in england you will find it harder and harder to get food that comes from places anywhere near as bad as that video demonstrates, hell i work in a supermarket and each piece of meat that arrives on my counter has a vetenary number/info so you can trace that piece of meat not only to the farm but the specific animal and vet that treated it.

Vegan diets are thawrt with their own difficultys one been you have to find alternative sources of protein and other goodness that often comes from animals although the vegan diet is possible there are countless people who fall ill from the diet due to been ill informated and given bad or wrong infomation which means they are losing out on important dietry needs, pregant women should always consider even if its temp going back to eating mean and the child should be fed meat if later when its old enough to choose it wants to go vegan so be it by that point they have a fully developed brain and oragans.

i digress point was that video is wrongly showing us the industry in an attempt to convert people away from meat, those places shown are a minority not a majority it also dont show where in the world they are farming as china for instance prolly does operate like that but i dont live in china so i cant comment

inky · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 4025 **Location:**

UnbeatableDevil wrote:

Humans have been domesticating animals for like forever.
and they have also been eating them forever.
Hell id say keeping animals as pets is worse than eating them for food...

My dogs would have to disagree.

You really lack insight.

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

UnbeatableDevil wrote:

Humans have been domesticating animals for like forever

But.. we don't have/need to eat every living thing.

[SD]Master_Wong · **Posted:** Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:14 pm

*BlackFox wrote:

UnbeatableDevil wrote:

Humans have been domesticating animals for like forever

But.. we don't have/need to eat every living thing.

we dont, for the most part, we dont eat hamsters, tits, eagles although we could, we just dont

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

[SD]Master_Wong wrote:

we dont, for the most part, we dont eat hamsters, tits, eagles although we could, we just dont

But.. some people will eat anything they can get their hands on.

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