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@ Azilius, (edit: turned into a rather big post but meh)

First let me start off by saying that everything I've said is factual for the Netherlands. Let me also state that if we were to make a scaled comparison with x amount of samples on:

A) The THC percentage of weed (which largely determines how well it was grown), and

B) How it's smoked (or how much THC enters the body upon inhalation),

that you would be shocked at how different our countries are on smoking weed. As a result of the legalization we are so far ahead than you guys in the US. Obviously my point is that you will eventually end up on the same level if weed were to be legalized in the US.

You will have a hard time finding someone in the Netherlands that smokes it with a normal cigarette rolling paper. Can you say the same for the U.S.? Oh the amount of times I've seen it... you barely get anything in your system that way. Yeah things get copied over time you'd think, sure, but I'm telling you if we were to compare 50 samples of weed, and 50 samples of how it's being smoked between our countries, you would be shocked at how ahead (if you will) we are on a general basis.

Just to explain B a bit more since that is the one that matters most, the supply is much lower and different than in Holland since we can walk into a coffee shop and buy some. Surely you can see how we will generally put more weed into a J. Hell most people that live in a city have a coffee shop within walking distance where they can legally buy some excellent cannabis. We will be far less conservative with our weed when rolling a J. Plus obviously we do it with a large rolling paper to begin with, which is like a billion times as effective since it allows more air to flow through when you toke = faster burning = more THC.

There are only 2 parts of your post that I'd like to comment on. The first one being this: "You can't examine the effect of a substance on a small percentage of people and deem it dangerous for the majority." Can you just read this about 5 times, and then try and explain this to me again? For someone that attacks my post and intelligence as much as you did, that sentence just kind of annoyed me actually.

The second: "Some people can't handle alcohol and become insane for several hours, others get elevated blood pressure to a degree that is becomes scary. There are a lot of effects that a small percentage of people will suffer from when drinking alcohol. That's why alcohol is illegal in so many countries." Clever little copy there, but I'm gonna have to ask you again: Why is alcohol legal, and weed still illegal? Do you actually even know what THC does to your body other than the temporary effects? You're the one being ignorant, nobody else is.

There are discussions within the government actually this year, to officially enlist weed on the hard-drugs list, because of the high THC percentage in today's average weed, which is ever growing. Another difference is that here in Holland, a lot of people are educated on weed as a result of the legalization. Most Americans that think they have a clue just because they smoke a lot- and don't notice any effects- actually are clueless, including yourself, no offence.

Obviously my point with this post is that Holland is ahead in the general use of cannabis on all the aspects involved. We can literally go into a nearby coffee shop and get some - we end up putting more in our J's and they are better quality to begin with, and so is the weed. America will follow should cannabis be legalized there. That, is my point.

Before you start disassembling my post or comparing things to another substance again (since I have a feeling you will be annoyed by the comparisons between our countries),I really hope that you can see what I mean with this. Should cannabis become legal in the US then eventually the quality of the weed and the general quality of your J's will improve. It is then that I point out the health issue again. Please go read what THC does to you other than the temporary effects that you are familiar with. Factor in our weed's THC percentage and quality of J's and you will get an image of why it's illegal in your country, and why it will probably become illegal here soon. My father lives in the US and I have spent over 2 years of my life there in a lot of different places. I have rarely found someone who smokes a decent J. You guys simply don't know what the **** you're talking about to simply put it out there. Just look at the facts man, it's legal here, it's all around us our entire lives, it's just so different.

Don't give me any political bullshit or conspiracy theory crap either, your country is looking at ours all the time looking for study rapports and an image of our culture with weed, and with the recent discussions in the Dutch government/cabinet about the rapid development of the quality (the THC percentage in weed) of cannabis here, I wouldn't count on legalization any time soon.

I'm not saying weed is awful, I smoked a shit ton of weed throughout my life, and still do occasionally. It just really hurts seeing all this bs posted about weed, especially those who almost believe it's good for them. It's entirely possible that you smoke excellent quality all the time if you have a good dealer/grower on speed dial, but 9/10 samples I've had in the US barely did anything to me and this is a fact.

First I think I should clear some things up. I live in Canada, the "highest" country in the world. Over many surveys done, Canada ranks #1 in weed consumption. I've smoked through a joint, used a vaporizer, used fruit, popcans, bongs and a few other methods.

Second, I'll clear up what I said.

"You can't examine the effect of a substance on a small percentage of people and deem it dangerous for the majority."

If you test anything on a group of say 10 people, and 1 of those 10 people have problems, you don't automatically go 'well this is bad for everyone!'. Scientific approaches don't work that way, else things people were allergic to would go straight out the door, would they not?

Your pseudo scientific remarks on THC, consumption and content have merely blanketed everything you've said, without actually explaining, or proving, anything. You don't argue that way. You've said things such as





All of this



Do YOU know the effects on THC (and why the hell are you only mentioning THC when there are several hundred other chemicals inside weird, some of them the main chemical in certain strands, for example CBD)? You're using anecdotal proof continuously to prove a point that never made sense in the first place. You've actually managed to type a full page without actually saying anything worthwhile..



This irks me. Weed is illegal because it is listed as a chemical that has no medical use and has a high potential for abuse. It is NOT illegal because it is "bad for you" or "unhealthy". I COULD show you several articles describing medical uses for weed, and show you parallels of weed abuse and alcohol abuse, rendering the law ineffective and absurd but judging by the way you've been replying, it seems nonsensical to waste my time looking said things up.

You're the one making the claims about weed getting more 'unhealthy', which in itself is not illegal or 'bad'. You're also the one who said it is illegal because a small percentage of people "suffer when smoking", yet the only proof you've given me is anecdotal references and incredibly flawed pseudo scientific remarks. Furthermore by ignoring my rant about the corruption in the US government you have sidestepped a HUGE part of why weed is actually illegal, which is ignorance, fear, and profitability.




A fantastic rebuttal by none other than a quality poster. Your continued maturity in this discussion has been appreciated.

Haha, keep on looking for quality on SRF. If you ever find it, be sure to pm me.










Apparently everyone that disagrees with you is either stupid, ignorant or not being serious. While everyone's comments in this topic, regardless of them being wrong or right, were actually normal and not attacking anyone personally, you're the only one calling other people stupid and ignorant.

Ohh and mate, save us the ''being mature''-bullshit. That shit has lost all it's value on SRF along time ago

Anyways, come back to me when your country has 40 years experience with the legalisation of weed and when you know what the actual effects are of that legalisation rather then to lean on theories and predictions. Maybe then I can have a serious and worth discusssion about this with you.

But for now, I hope you enjoy the ganja like I do.

Only one of those quotes was directed towards you, and should not be taken offensively at all. What you said WAS ignorant and baseless. What is the basis of using the age 17? Does every person in the world go through a major transformation exactly at an age past 17 that makes everything better?

As for why my other post was so blatantly offensive: The long standing hate towards weed use is far from reasonable. Posts like that, filled with nonsense like "and the stuff is becoming less healthy at a fast rate.", are the reason the stigma exists in the first place. Your post was not much better. You pulled a completely random piece of information straight out of your ass and waved it around like it was fact.

And what is the bolded part about? Where was I arguing with you about whether or not weed should be legalized?

Im pretty sure Dom means to fuck with there minds

moving away from your parents who looked after you your whole life and cared for you so you can smoke weed...

just stop smoking weed, fair enough your parents are angry, they care about your health and are just trying to help you.

My intensions were not to smoke weed. I've stopped, what I wanted was to get away from the heat for a few days because they simply wouldn't listen to me.

They wouldn't listen to you? or you wouldn't listen to them, it goes both ways, haha