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heroo · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 6618 **Location:**

Hi guys,

I recently started playing LOL and I've been watching some vids on YouTube to become better at it. But they are all talking about AD's, CC's heavy carry and all other things. I don't know what they mean and I couldn't find a guide about them on google either. So does anyone of you want to explain it to me or has a link to a guide about this.

Thanks

Something96 · **Joined:** Dec 2009 **Posts:** 696 **Location:**

AD carries are ranged attack damage champions that usually go bot with support. Support is basically a babysitter for that carry.

CC heavy carry is a carry with alot of crowd control. Like slows/stuns/snares. A good example would be Ashe.

You also have an AP carry which is an ability power carry that goes mid or top lane.

That should be it I guess.

Squirt · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 8186 **Location:**

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legen ... -faq-62815

Read this Heroo, it is very helpful

heroo · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 6618 **Location:**

Squirt wrote:

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/new-player-faq-62815

Read this Heroo, it is very helpful

thanks alot bro, exactly what I was looking for!

Skyve · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 7328 **Location:** Canada

Something96 wrote:

AD carries are ranged attack damage champions that usually go bot with support. Support is basically a babysitter for that carry.

CC heavy carry is a carry with alot of crowd control. Like slows/stuns/snares. A good example would be Ashe.

You also have an AP carry which is an ability power carry that goes mid or top lane.

That should be it I guess.

AD carries could be melee too. (Jax, Trynd)

woutR · **Posted:** Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:39 pm

No they're not AD carries. An AD carry is ranged. Jax is a bruiser, and Tryndamere arguably too. They're not AD carries, and Jax has quite some magic damage too.

RoOF · **Joined:** Jan 2011 **Posts:** 146 **Location:**

big diffrence between a carry and a ad carry
a carry can be anything from ap to bruiser carry
ad carry is specific , ashe , vayne , varus , ez , corki ...

JustToCallYou · **Joined:** Dec 2010 **Posts:** 136 **Location:**

An ad carry is every champion who has a strong attack damage burst, independent of being ranged or melee... Trynda is an AD carry, he is not for sure a bruiser...
But u can distinguish them by ranged and melee
Another example for a melee ad carry is Master Yi, he has a burst attack damage output

People just got used to call AD carries the ranged ones since the "meta" we usually play they are nominated by that!

Squirt · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 8186 **Location:**

JustToCallYou wrote:

An ad carry is every champion who has a strong attack damage burst, independent of being ranged or melee... Trynda is an AD carry, he is not for sure a bruiser...
But u can distinguish them by ranged and melee
Another example for a melee ad carry is Master Yi, he has a burst attack damage output

People just got used to call AD carries the ranged ones since the "meta" we usually play they are nominated by that!

AD Anivia op

Skyve · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 7328 **Location:** Canada

AD Carries have nothing to do with melee or ranged... You guys seem serious too.

woutR · **Posted:** Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:27 am

Master Yi and Tryndamere aren't AD carries, burst also has nothing to do with AD carries. As a matter of fact, due to the nature of AD carries being that most of their dmg comes from auto attacks, they actually have the highest sustained damage in the game, not burst damage.
Burst damage is for assassins like Talon, Akali and Kassadin. (Talon also has AD, is he an 'AD Carry' now too?)

Keeping it simple, you could say that you're an AD carry when you're being supported in lane. Someone is giving his farm to you so you can 'carry'. Tryndamere, Jax and Master Yi all have terrible duo lanes. They all have shit sustained harass (cooldown/mana based) and no range, they'll be zoned by any decent ranged ad/support combo.

Also, AD carries have everything to do with range. How would you stay alive if you're an 'AD Carry' that's melee and is rocking IE/PD/LW for maximum dmg but gets one shot every time he goes in?
You need to be ranged if you want to be able to trade off survivability for damage effectively.
You can play Jax/Trynd/Master Yi with a support and think of yourself as the 'AD Carry' (remember, ad carry role = do the most damage) and be 1 shot over and over. Or you can just accept the fact that you need range in order to have maximum survivability and thus maximum damage output.

futuresight · **Posted:** Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:06 am

by your logic annie would be a great ad carry with her 625 range. Is she? I've made it work before.
Ad carries are defined by steroids, be it attack speed, crit or ad. They all have some way to enhance their auto attack damage, which is why yi trynd and fiora ARE ad carries. Being melee has nothing to do with that. In fact their steroids are some of the best amongst carries, look at fioras 120% attack speed buff for example.

The problem with melee ad carries is indeed that they tend to get blown up, but that doesn't mean they're not carries. It just means they lack the item choices to be viable in their intended role.
Melee carries need a black king bar or something like it to work (basically an olaf ult on an item).

Skyve · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 7328 **Location:** Canada

futuresight wrote:

by your logic annie would be a great ad carry with her 625 range. Is she? I've made it work before.
Ad carries are defined by steroids, be it attack speed, crit or ad. They all have some way to enhance their auto attack damage, which is why yi trynd and fiora ARE ad carries. Being melee has nothing to do with that. In fact their steroids are some of the best amongst carries, look at fioras 120% attack speed buff for example.

The problem with melee ad carries is indeed that they tend to get blown up, but that doesn't mean they're not carries. It just means they lack the item choices to be viable in their intended role.
Melee carries need a black king bar or something like it to work (basically an olaf ult on an item).

Squirt · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 8186 **Location:**

futuresight wrote:

by your logic annie would be a great ad carry with her 625 range. Is she? I've made it work before.
Ad carries are defined by steroids, be it attack speed, crit or ad. They all have some way to enhance their auto attack damage, which is why yi trynd and fiora ARE ad carries. Being melee has nothing to do with that. In fact their steroids are some of the best amongst carries, look at fioras 120% attack speed buff for example.

The problem with melee ad carries is indeed that they tend to get blown up, but that doesn't mean they're not carries. It just means they lack the item choices to be viable in their intended role.
Melee carries need a black king bar or something like it to work (basically an olaf ult on an item).

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JustToCallYou · **Joined:** Dec 2010 **Posts:** 136 **Location:**

woutR wrote:

Master Yi and Tryndamere aren't AD carries, burst also has nothing to do with AD carries. As a matter of fact, due to the nature of AD carries being that most of their dmg comes from auto attacks, they actually have the highest sustained damage in the game, not burst damage.
Burst damage is for assassins like Talon, Akali and Kassadin. (Talon also has AD, is he an 'AD Carry' now too?)

Keeping it simple, you could say that you're an AD carry when you're being supported in lane. Someone is giving his farm to you so you can 'carry'. Tryndamere, Jax and Master Yi all have terrible duo lanes. They all have shit sustained harass (cooldown/mana based) and no range, they'll be zoned by any decent ranged ad/support combo.

Also, AD carries have everything to do with range. How would you stay alive if you're an 'AD Carry' that's melee and is rocking IE/PD/LW for maximum dmg but gets one shot every time he goes in?
You need to be ranged if you want to be able to trade off survivability for damage effectively.
You can play Jax/Trynd/Master Yi with a support and think of yourself as the 'AD Carry' (remember, ad carry role = do the most damage) and be 1 shot over and over. Or you can just accept the fact that you need range in order to have maximum survivability and thus maximum damage output.

had a confusion of words didnt meant burst damage, and master yi and tryndamere are AD carries ofc their damage depends on auto-attacks, talon has burst dmg due to his skills mainly and ofc he is also AD... An AD carry basicly is champions that depend on their basic damage to take down enemies. There are few AD melee carries yi and trynd are examples of it.. Just take in note you are used to denominate AD carry the ranged AD ones only cause the "meta" we usually play nominates them like that, trynda and yi. Yi can also be built as AP but tryndamere theres no other way you can build him apart from AD carry cause he doesnt have abilities to do other roles..
Just cause the usual "meta" says AD carries are the ranged champions only doesnt mean that actually that is right or its a fact.. You cant build an effective tryndamere w/o him being AD carry its a fact!
Also mentioned here aswell you have Fiora another example of an melee AD carry..

futuresight wrote:

Melee carries need a black king bar or something like it to work (basically an olaf ult on an item).

i guess you mean quicksilver slash, or cleanse spell

futuresight · **Posted:** Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:36 pm

Well yes, QSS and cleanse are LoL's items for that role. But while these are enough for ranged carries, it's not enough for melees who have to get into all the aoe that flies around.
The item I mentioned is more like a banshees veil that instead of blocking one spell, can be activated to temporarily block all incoming spells (there are exceptions, but essentially this is what it does).

Squirt · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 8186 **Location:**

futuresight wrote:

Well yes, QSS and cleanse are LoL's items for that role. But while these are enough for ranged carries, it's not enough for melees who have to get into all the aoe that flies around.
The item I mentioned is more like a banshees veil that instead of blocking one spell, can be activated to temporarily block all incoming spells (there are exceptions, but essentially this is what it does).

That would be OP as hell. And would make Olaf's ult useless

MrJoey · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:09 pm

Never played LoL, decided to read this topic randomly... Have no idea what any of you said...

Miguez · **Joined:** Nov 2008 **Posts:** 5003 **Location:**

According to the actual meta, AD Carries have to be ranged champions that scale off of AD.

Champions that were designed as AD Carries (no defense) but were made melee simply have no place in the actual meta, which is why no one plays trynda, yi or fiora.

HughGRection · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 432 **Location:** CS:S

melee go top all the time at every elo

Something96 · **Joined:** Dec 2009 **Posts:** 696 **Location:**

HughGRection wrote:

melee go top all the time at every elo

Yes, but they don't build full damage.
Irelia for one, is a melee, goes top. But you don't see Irelias building IE/PD or other glass cannon builds (Well, you might, but prob not in a 1300+ Elo game).

The definition of AD carry is building full damage items, then one defensive item (E.G Guardians Angel, Banshees, QSS), regardless of ranged or melee.

And @Miguez Fiora is played a lot toplane. Darien played her at a LAN event and dominated.

Miguez · **Joined:** Nov 2008 **Posts:** 5003 **Location:**

Define a lot please.

She's picked in around 3% of every ranked games.
http://www.lolking.net/champions/fiora#statistics

Same goes for Master Yi.
http://www.lolking.net/champions/masteryi#statistics

Trynda = 2%.
http://www.lolking.net/champions/tryndamere#statistics

Just as an example, Irelia gets picked in roughly 16% of every ranked game.
http://www.lolking.net/champions/irelia#statistics

So no, Fiora isn't played a lot, and just because a Pro can pull it off doesn't mean it's actually viable.

But since you take the opinion of Pros in such high consideration, here is an official list of the AD carries and their respective tier, made by Pros.
http://www.reignofgaming.net/tier-lists ... t-may-28th

HughGRection · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 432 **Location:** CS:S

if its possible then its viable. so if its been done then you can do it too fiora=viable

Miguez · **Joined:** Nov 2008 **Posts:** 5003 **Location:**

Sure but you're setting yourself back if you pick fiora against the usual top lane champions.

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