why an elementary school..

Love · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 5336 **Location:**

penfold1992 wrote:

TheDrop wrote:

If those 5 year old kids had guns and were trained, they would have been able to stop the shooting

merica.

or facts ?

Ger_slayer · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 405 **Location:** High :)

Alright, I'll give my 2 cents even if you don't want to hear it, or see it. I am in favor of stricter gun control, the gun isn't the issue in my opinion but the person who gets it. There needs to be a way for it to be harder to obtain a gun, you need to get an evaluation on your mental health before you purchase a gun. I also would say you don't need assault type weapons at your house. If you want to shoot for sport like speed shooting then you must go through some sort of licensing. There also isn't a need to have a 30 round magazine. I mean why the hell do you need to have one when you hunt? Is your aim that bad? Cause if so you shouldn't be hunting then. A limit of 10 rounds per magazine would be good. I am a gun enthusiast but this is just sad, too much carnage cause of a stupid boy. People should still have there guns in case something where to happen. I know there is room for error, and not one plan is going to solve these mass shootings, but 4 mass shootings in the past 6 months is just Farking ridiculous. The laws and rules that we have right now isn't making the violence better, it's pretty obvious, so we do need change. If that means more strict laws then so be it.

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

finally someone with sense! I thought i was the only one.

omier · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 5985 **Location:** ...

penfold1992 wrote:

finally someone with sense! I thought i was the only one.

No problem, I agree with you too.

Fiction · **Posted:** Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:21 pm

It amazes me about how little the anti-gun(I know some aren't anti, just stricter control) crowd actually knows about guns. From the post I've read, including Ger_Slayer.

I'll just say this, hunting is a lot stricter than you guys understand it to be. There are seasons, and not just for certain animals, but certain types of weapons. You are limited to a certain amount of tags per animal(which you have to pay for), and type of ammunition. If you violate a law, and get caught by the game wardens you could lose your hunter's license, your vehicle, all your weapons, and face prison time, or a fine. (and the game wardens are pretty efficient at getting their guy, you don't **** with them)

I don't understand, if the gun control thing was as bad as you guys make it, than I'd think we'd see stories worse than this elementary school shooting, popping up every week. Considering how many guns we have here in the States.

Again, doesn't matter how strict the laws are, it's not going to stop anyone from getting a hold of them. Much like in Norway, where there's a will, there is a way. You think the already mass populations that cross America's borders illegally everyday will have a problem smuggling guns into the country? Lol or let our own President and his administration hand the illegals guns.(which led to American citizens being killed with those guns, but didn't here an outcry about that)

_Dutchy_ · **Posted:** Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:05 pm

a piece of a article i found intresting

Quote:

First off if you are not a gun owner, have not been through the buying process or been to a gun show in the last decade you are most likely totally wrong when it comes to modifying our laws in an attempt to keep firearms out of non-rational actors and criminals. This is not a mark against you, I applaud your choice to go about your life unarmed, but it took me years of being associated with firearm culture, and the laws associated, with it to get a grip on understanding exactly how they work. Reading a NYT editorial or two is not an education on this matter and often times these writers are simply wrong or are actively supporting their views with false claims and facts. In my opinion the mainline media is almost 100% wrong on any gun related reporting and this sickens me. You would think that a talking head of Fox or CNN who knows they will be talking about guns for months after any of these terrible events would sit down one evening and actually learn a bit about what they are talking about? No, this obviously has not happened. Catch terms chronically used inappropriately like “high-powered” and “fully automatic weapon” have only distorted the public’s ability to actually make changes that will save lives pertaining to these very serious issues. Men like Piers Morgan, who I enjoy watching from time to time for their interviewing talents, fall apart journalistically when discussing firearm related issues because they simply will not educate themselves on the realities of the technology and the industry. Instead they are blinded by pure hatred for inanimate objects and are thus totally bias in their reporting so that they can push their agenda. This hurts discourse in this country and it’s a shame. Both gun advocates and the opposition to their very existence should be upset by this polarizing and inaccurate reporting.

Some things I would like to clear up:
People think commercially available assault rifles and battle rifles (AR-15, AK-47, M-14 etc) are fully automatic “machine guns” like you see in the movies. They are not, you pull the trigger once one round comes out, the same as a handgun. To own a fully automatic weapon, where it shoots a string of bullets as long as you hold down the trigger until the magazine is empty, you need to have a Class III permit issued very strictly (including physical inventory checks) by the ATF or if your state allows it, pay a $200 fee for a NFA stamp, receive a thorough background check and wait up to 6 months for approval. Keep in mind that these weapons cost thousands of dollars and have to be manufactured before 1986. The Class III permits, where you can buy and sell “new” fully automatic weapons as well as pre-ban guns are for big money collectors, firearms manufacturers, and often places where you can shoot something “cool” like a “Tommy Gun” at a controlled range. NONE of the high-profile school shootings that have broken our collective heart over the last decade have been prosecuted by a criminal using a fully automatic weapon that I know of. What makes AR-15s and AK-47s different from a repeating hunting rifle is the available magazine capacity choices, some ergonomic features, and usually a menacing black color and shape, that is all. They all go bang ONCE when you pull the trigger just like a handgun.

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

I will always believe in stricter gun control/laws....its better than leaving things as they are... By having more stringent control, you effect the problem on some level rather than not at all...That may be enough to make a difference...It wont be a night and day difference but it will make a difference....

And again don't give me that "Parents should do a good job with their kids because blah blah blah..teaching society's youth will prevent shootings blah blah blah" speech....because we can't bank on other people/parents to do what we think is right...

There is nothing wrong with undergoing mental/psychological screening before getting a gun if it means some people whom you and I KNOW shouldn't have a gun....But because a portion gun enthusiasts don't like the idea of having restrictions on their coveted rights/hobby/biased love affair with firearms they don't say anything or become pessimistic about the problem and saying things like "Gun control wont change anything"....

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

_Dutchy_ wrote:

a piece of a article i found intresting

Quote:

First off if you are not a gun owner, have not been through the buying process or been to a gun show in the last decade you are most likely totally wrong when it comes to modifying our laws in an attempt to keep firearms out of non-rational actors and criminals. This is not a mark against you, I applaud your choice to go about your life unarmed, but it took me years of being associated with firearm culture, and the laws associated, with it to get a grip on understanding exactly how they work. Reading a NYT editorial or two is not an education on this matter and often times these writers are simply wrong or are actively supporting their views with false claims and facts. In my opinion the mainline media is almost 100% wrong on any gun related reporting and this sickens me. You would think that a talking head of Fox or CNN who knows they will be talking about guns for months after any of these terrible events would sit down one evening and actually learn a bit about what they are talking about? No, this obviously has not happened. Catch terms chronically used inappropriately like “high-powered” and “fully automatic weapon” have only distorted the public’s ability to actually make changes that will save lives pertaining to these very serious issues. Men like Piers Morgan, who I enjoy watching from time to time for their interviewing talents, fall apart journalistically when discussing firearm related issues because they simply will not educate themselves on the realities of the technology and the industry. Instead they are blinded by pure hatred for inanimate objects and are thus totally bias in their reporting so that they can push their agenda. This hurts discourse in this country and it’s a shame. Both gun advocates and the opposition to their very existence should be upset by this polarizing and inaccurate reporting.

Some things I would like to clear up:
People think commercially available assault rifles and battle rifles (AR-15, AK-47, M-14 etc) are fully automatic “machine guns” like you see in the movies. They are not, you pull the trigger once one round comes out, the same as a handgun. To own a fully automatic weapon, where it shoots a string of bullets as long as you hold down the trigger until the magazine is empty, you need to have a Class III permit issued very strictly (including physical inventory checks) by the ATF or if your state allows it, pay a $200 fee for a NFA stamp, receive a thorough background check and wait up to 6 months for approval. Keep in mind that these weapons cost thousands of dollars and have to be manufactured before 1986. The Class III permits, where you can buy and sell “new” fully automatic weapons as well as pre-ban guns are for big money collectors, firearms manufacturers, and often places where you can shoot something “cool” like a “Tommy Gun” at a controlled range. NONE of the high-profile school shootings that have broken our collective heart over the last decade have been prosecuted by a criminal using a fully automatic weapon that I know of. What makes AR-15s and AK-47s different from a repeating hunting rifle is the available magazine capacity choices, some ergonomic features, and usually a menacing black color and shape, that is all. They all go bang ONCE when you pull the trigger just like a handgun.

This biased article makes no sense in light of what happened to the little kids.... A grown man with two pistols (or even one) vs a bunch of 6-7 year old kids would be no different than a grown man with a fully automatic assault rifle vs a room full of capable men... Actually in most cases a man with just a pistol is enough take the lives of 5-6 people who are capable of stopping him with their raw hands and that alone is tragic.... You don't need to know the details behind gun laws/permits/auto vs semi vs full to know that..

_Dutchy_ · **Posted:** Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:04 pm

BuDo wrote:

_Dutchy_ wrote:

a piece of a article i found intresting

Quote:

First off if you are not a gun owner, have not been through the buying process or been to a gun show in the last decade you are most likely totally wrong when it comes to modifying our laws in an attempt to keep firearms out of non-rational actors and criminals. This is not a mark against you, I applaud your choice to go about your life unarmed, but it took me years of being associated with firearm culture, and the laws associated, with it to get a grip on understanding exactly how they work. Reading a NYT editorial or two is not an education on this matter and often times these writers are simply wrong or are actively supporting their views with false claims and facts. In my opinion the mainline media is almost 100% wrong on any gun related reporting and this sickens me. You would think that a talking head of Fox or CNN who knows they will be talking about guns for months after any of these terrible events would sit down one evening and actually learn a bit about what they are talking about? No, this obviously has not happened. Catch terms chronically used inappropriately like “high-powered” and “fully automatic weapon” have only distorted the public’s ability to actually make changes that will save lives pertaining to these very serious issues. Men like Piers Morgan, who I enjoy watching from time to time for their interviewing talents, fall apart journalistically when discussing firearm related issues because they simply will not educate themselves on the realities of the technology and the industry. Instead they are blinded by pure hatred for inanimate objects and are thus totally bias in their reporting so that they can push their agenda. This hurts discourse in this country and it’s a shame. Both gun advocates and the opposition to their very existence should be upset by this polarizing and inaccurate reporting.

Some things I would like to clear up:
People think commercially available assault rifles and battle rifles (AR-15, AK-47, M-14 etc) are fully automatic “machine guns” like you see in the movies. They are not, you pull the trigger once one round comes out, the same as a handgun. To own a fully automatic weapon, where it shoots a string of bullets as long as you hold down the trigger until the magazine is empty, you need to have a Class III permit issued very strictly (including physical inventory checks) by the ATF or if your state allows it, pay a $200 fee for a NFA stamp, receive a thorough background check and wait up to 6 months for approval. Keep in mind that these weapons cost thousands of dollars and have to be manufactured before 1986. The Class III permits, where you can buy and sell “new” fully automatic weapons as well as pre-ban guns are for big money collectors, firearms manufacturers, and often places where you can shoot something “cool” like a “Tommy Gun” at a controlled range. NONE of the high-profile school shootings that have broken our collective heart over the last decade have been prosecuted by a criminal using a fully automatic weapon that I know of. What makes AR-15s and AK-47s different from a repeating hunting rifle is the available magazine capacity choices, some ergonomic features, and usually a menacing black color and shape, that is all. They all go bang ONCE when you pull the trigger just like a handgun.

This biased article makes no sense in light of what happened to the little kids.... A grown man with two pistols (or even one) vs a bunch of 6-7 year old kids would be no different than a grown man with a fully automatic assault rifle vs a room full of capable men... Actually in most cases a man with just a pistol is enough take the lives of 5-6 people who are capable of stopping him with their raw hands and that alone is tragic.... You don't need to know the details behind gun laws/permits/auto vs semi vs full to know that..

No but people seem to think including quite a few in this forum that the poeple who do these shootings are using fully automatic asault rifles wich is not true. People who cry that asault rifles should be banned infavor for semi automatic rifles. The difference between asault rifle's and Semi - automatic rifles are minimal at best

Not to mention that a ban of Asault rifles or High capicty mags won't solve anything for the next 15 years because i highly doubt the us goverment would go out and try to take them all out of circulation. They simply would put a ban on selling them

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

which is why i said if you allow guns only allow long action weapons because if you can pull the trigger time and time again its just as bad as burst firing. automatic guns may kill more people but no gun should be fired in the first place!

if guns were banned now altogether (apart from the police and military) yes the guns that exist now would still be there but after 20 years it will be less of a threat.

I think metal detectors should be in every school payed by the american people by upping there tax but that wont happen either.

also if you think the gun control and hunting control is really strict... its not.
how about the gun control law is:
no matter what, dont give anyone a gun.
thats a stricter law that is still too lenient.

Fiction · **Posted:** Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:16 pm

penfold1992 wrote:

which is why i said if you allow guns only allow long action weapons because if you can pull the trigger time and time again its just as bad as burst firing. automatic guns may kill more people but no gun should be fired in the first place!

if guns were banned now altogether (apart from the police and military) yes the guns that exist now would still be there but after 20 years it will be less of a threat.

I think metal detectors should be in every school payed by the american people by upping there tax but that wont happen either.

also if you think the gun control and hunting control is really strict... its not.
how about the gun control law is:
no matter what, dont give anyone a gun.
thats a stricter law that is still too lenient.

Okay... you are an idiot... please we've heard enough of your ignorance.(sorry to be nasty about it, but c'mon, enough is enough) You've already proven you aren't basing your statements on anything but your emotions and your knowledge being limited to video games. Once you become an adult and live in the real world, people might start taking you serious. Other wise, keep giving your opinion on how the latest COD compares to it's predecessor, and let the adults decide what's best for the real world..

...and Lol at metal detector idea... My school had them, and never stopped anything, but a few pot heads... Yeah I want my child molested on a daily basis by the screeners... /sarcasm.

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

america is number 1 at everything, including mass murders gun crime and ignorance.
kill your own people all you want. certainly dont see 3 mass murders in europe from guns.

Rawr · **Posted:** Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:55 am

I'm pretty sure Germany holds that crown. ^

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

penfold1992 wrote:

america is number 1 at everything, including mass murders from gun crime and ignorance.
kill your own people all you want. certainly dont see 3 mass murders in europe from guns.

Azilius · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 4236 **Location:** CS:GO

Your posts reek of misinformation and fallacious arguments that serve no purpose other than to show how emotionally involved you are into something insignificant and irrelevant to gun laws themselves..

_Dutchy_ · **Posted:** Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:21 am

penfold1992 wrote:

america is number 1 at everything, including mass murders gun crime and ignorance.
kill your own people all you want. certainly dont see 3 mass murders in europe from guns.

van der Vlis, Tristan, Age 24, April 9 2011 Alphen aan den Rijn Netherlands
Killed,6
Wounded,17

Amrani, Nordine, Age 33, Dec. 13 2011 Liège Belgium
Killed,6
Wounded,123

Breivik, Anders Behring, 32 July 22 2011 Oslo & Utøya Norway
Killed,75
Wounded,242

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

You guys are retarded.
Making Farking napalm is not the same as stealing a gun from your dad's "safe"
A gun is not the same as a Farking knife

@Sanc Im not bothering replying to you 'cause i feel like you were playing devil's advocate, + you keep saying the same shit about knife and guns both being tools.
A RPG is also a tool, should that be allowed to be kept by civilians too? Im sure it can be used for hunting?

When your son goes into depression cause his girl dumped him, and jacks his gun to go on a mental rampage, ill laugh my ass off. In fact i hope for that, we need less rednecks in this world

News coverage of massacres is only bad if theres nothing done to repair the problems causing them.

There NRA retards think that if someone came into the school with 2 rifles and a handgun, the teachers would join in on a epic MW3 type shootout. Sad that these fucks werent there themselves, during VT, the Colorado theater or the CT elementary school

Guns wont be totally banned, some types should, but those calling for more guns should go shoot themselves

Fiction · **Posted:** Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:46 am

@TheDrop It's really hard to get through to you guys... So much ignorance, and so much emotional drive behind that ignorance. Why are you throwing such a fit now that 20 kids were gun down by a gun legally purchased, tho not stored correctly, but no out cry over the thousands of murders that happen every year by guns that are completely illegal. If your stupid idea of banning guns would change anything, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have these murders going on. The only people that your laws are going to effect will be the people that choose to follow them. Also you're throwing a fit about guns, when vehicles kill a lot more people.

and making napalm is as easy as going to the gas station and getting some gas... and if making a bomb is hard, why is it so easy for those rednecks(that you believe should be dead) to make them?

To me you come off as a hypocrite. You think everyone should think your way, and if they believe differently, they should be done away with, but you preach this shit that you're the one with an open mind... GTFO...

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

The murder rates from crimes in cities will remain unchanged, same for the illegal gun trades. That is not the issue here. Not saying that does not need to be solved

The issue is, normal everyday people going depressed/mental and letting it out by killing people. And it helps that they are able to get semi-automatic rifles & shitload of bullets.

In both VT and Aurora (as well as CT), the shooters were "normal" nice kids, so i doubt mental health checks would accomplish much. They also bought their guns legally (took from legal gun owner in CT's case), not from illegal gun trades. Seriously its not even that complicated, why not restrain/ban semi-automatic rifles?

I understand there are gun hobbyists that have nothing to do in the land of potatoe farms and confederate flags, but they should go after a different hobby then.
People dont use semi-automatic rifles (with 30 rounds before having to reload) for hunting, or im not sure why they would.
Handguns make sense for self-defense, as they can be like, carried around instead of being kept at home (unlike you know, assault rifles). I know there are people in the US in constant paranoia of being oppressed by a authoritative gov't and have to revolt (maybe you are one), but in that case they would have to depend on illegal weapon trades anyways.

The worst thing you can do is just get used to these shootings and say "oh well, theres more gun crime in cities from illegal guns anyways". Or even worse, calling for more fcking guns. Cause that makes sense.

I dont act like i have an open mind, but if you trying to compare gay marriage (or some other liberal platform) to preventing gun massacres, you should be the one to **** off.
And why shouldnt a state with non-retards, such as say NY, be able to ban guns state-wide? state rights right?

Hapjap · **Posted:** Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:57 am

imo there are more much important things to focus on right now than gun regulation. remember that events like this are extremely rare although they seem frequent due to the sensationalized media coverage.

even if a sandy hook event like this happened every month more kids would have died from unintentional drowning. hell even all the number of gun related deaths in the u.s. is less than 20 times less the number of people who die each year from heart disease. contrary to what the media portrays, gun violence is down in the majority of states (look at the third link).

tl;dr gun violence is way over sensationalized in the media and it isn't actually a problem right now.

sources:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/water-safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AonYZs4MzlZbdGhycDRPQlN1dTBoMzJWOTk0Uk9DRVE&hl=en

Azilius · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 4236 **Location:** CS:GO

Hapjap wrote:

imo there are more much important things to focus on right now than gun regulation. remember that events like this are extremely rare although they seem frequent due to the sensationalized media coverage.

even if a sandy hook event like this happened every month more kids would have died from unintentional drowning. hell even all the number of gun related deaths in the u.s. is less than 20 times less the number of people who die each year from heart disease. contrary to what the media portrays, gun violence is down in the majority of states (look at the third link).

tl;dr gun violence is way over sensationalized in the media and it isn't actually a problem right now.

sources:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/water-safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AonYZs4MzlZbdGhycDRPQlN1dTBoMzJWOTk0Uk9DRVE&hl=en

I only accept foxnews as a source, sorry

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

Hapjap wrote:

imo there are more much important things to focus on right now than gun regulation. remember that events like this are extremely rare although they seem frequent due to the sensationalized media coverage.

even if a sandy hook event like this happened every month more kids would have died from unintentional drowning. hell even all the number of gun related deaths in the u.s. is less than 20 times less the number of people who die each year from heart disease. contrary to what the media portrays, gun violence is down in the majority of states (look at the third link).

tl;dr gun violence is way over sensationalized in the media and it isn't actually a problem right now.

sources:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/water-safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AonYZs4MzlZbdGhycDRPQlN1dTBoMzJWOTk0Uk9DRVE&hl=en

you are kinda falling into the "oh well life's a bitch" category right now

Not that anyone expects anything to happen politically. You'd hope Obama would have more of a backbone but ofc the economy/fiscal budget is the priority right now

Fiction · **Posted:** Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:04 am

... Nobody is saying, "oh well life's a bitch"... TheDrop, you're being narrow minded, and emotional. You want to take guns away from millions of responsible gun owners, just because .00001% of legal gun owners go off the deep end.

The point I was making with the inner city crime, if a bunch of kids with no schooling can get a hold of a fully automatic AK47, how would banning semi-autos from non-criminals workout? Surely that white kid can find himself a gun easy enough, legal or illegal, to commit mass murder.

Also, I can tell you're just like penfold, don't have a clue about firearms other than playing FPS and reading headlines... You're scared of guns, because you've never actually been around them. You're being just as bad as a white person who hates black people, with your narrow minded BS and generalizing everyone as a redneck or hillbilly or whatever the hell your little imagination can think up to label people you disagree with...

Rawr · **Posted:** Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:19 am

Fiction, you should just give up, you aren't going to get through to them.
Most of the guys here have probably never even touched a gun in their lives, so naturally they're going to be sheep who follow sensationalist media.
I do give you props for trying, though. :sohappy:

Fiction · **Posted:** Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:28 am

Rawr wrote:

Fiction, you should just give up, you aren't going to get through to them.
Most of the guys here have probably never even touched a gun in their lives, so naturally they're going to be sheep who follow sensationalist media.
I do give you props for trying, though. :sohappy:

+1

Yeah, I think I'm done. :sohappy:

Nick Invaders · **Joined:** Apr 2009 **Posts:** 1105 **Location:**

I'm not sure if this is right, but I read in an article that Adam Lanza killed his mother with her guns and then attacked the school. If this is true, any gun restrictions would have no effect simply because you can't stop someone from taking someone else's guns. The guns would have been registered to his mother, and more gun control probably would not have helped. He did not acquire the guns legally, his mother did. So perhaps his mother left them out, and so she might have been careless, but that literally has nothing to do with gun control. This shooting itself is not very preventable. If a similar chain of events were to happen, that would likely not be very preventable. Gun control can fix some problems, but this ain't one of them.

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

Azilius wrote:

Your posts reek of misinformation and fallacious arguments that serve no purpose other than to show how emotionally involved you are into something insignificant and irrelevant to gun laws themselves..

the death of 20 kids is insignificant and irrelevant. even though they were killed by some sort of device known as "a gun". if one of your children or parents or brother/sister had died then you would probably have exactly the same opinion right?

making a napalm is easy i think we should give all 5 year olds the necessary tools to launch a napalm strike because that would prevent mass killings in school.

adam lanza wouldnt have had a gun if his parents wernt allowed a gun either which is a check that should have been made since his brother was in police trouble as well.

more people are dieing from drowning then gun violence. I should poison 20 people with polonium and state "why are you sending me to prison? more people die of drowning then my polonium killings!" i think that will hold up in court.

Azilius · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 4236 **Location:** CS:GO

penfold1992 wrote:

Azilius wrote:

Your posts reek of misinformation and fallacious arguments that serve no purpose other than to show how emotionally involved you are into something insignificant and irrelevant to gun laws themselves..

the death of 20 kids is insignificant and irrelevant. even though they were killed by some sort of device known as "a gun". if one of your children or parents or brother/sister had died then you would probably have exactly the same opinion right?

To the bolded part, yes. In the grand scheme of things 20 kids is a very VERY small amount. As for being irrelevant, to gun laws (which is what I clearly stated), it is. It's not the gun, it's the person. There is very little (read: zero) evidence that having stricter gun laws or anything of the sort would have prevented this issue. However proper parenting and following of common sense (securely locking gun away) would have at least prevented the use of a gun in the murders.

To the non bold - yes, because even though I have emotions, I'm able to keep them under control and argue rationally and without extremely narrow minded views.

penfold1992 wrote:

making a napalm is easy i think we should give all 5 year olds the necessary tools to launch a napalm strike because that would prevent mass killings in school.

This is plain stupid and nonsensical.

penfold1992 wrote:

adam lanza wouldnt have had a gun if his parents wernt allowed a gun either which is a check that should have been made since his brother was in police trouble as well.

Your backwards logic can be applied in other ways as well. If Adam Lanza's parents weren't allowed to procreate he would have never been able to kill anyone. By my count, procreation is the NUMBER ONE reason for deaths in the world. See how silly I sound?

penfold1992 wrote:

more people are dieing from drowning then gun violence. I should poison 20 people with polonium and state "why are you sending me to prison? more people die of drowning then my polonium killings!" i think that will hold up in court.

No one claimed that you can get out of jail free because of that statistic, so arguing that point makes very little sense (ie it's stupid, nonsensical and otherwise irrelevant). The point was that your attention should be focused on FAR MORE dangerous issues that kill MANY MORE PEOPLE every year.

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

Just imagine "a world where all guns disappeared!" :giveup:

Fiction · **Posted:** Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:36 pm

penfold1992 wrote:

Azilius wrote:

Your posts reek of misinformation and fallacious arguments that serve no purpose other than to show how emotionally involved you are into something insignificant and irrelevant to gun laws themselves..

the death of 20 kids is insignificant and irrelevant. even though they were killed by some sort of device known as "a gun". if one of your children or parents or brother/sister had died then you would probably have exactly the same opinion right?

making a napalm is easy i think we should give all 5 year olds the necessary tools to launch a napalm strike because that would prevent mass killings in school.

adam lanza wouldnt have had a gun if his parents wernt allowed a gun either which is a check that should have been made since his brother was in police trouble as well.

more people are dieing from drowning then gun violence. I should poison 20 people with polonium and state "why are you sending me to prison? more people die of drowning then my polonium killings!" i think that will hold up in court.

Not everyone uses their emotions to make decisions, some people actually use rational thinking. Example: Here A father who lost his daughter in one of the worst mass shootings of it's time.

Oh yeah, lets ban sleep for kids under 1 y/o cause of SIDS, and ban toys cause all the kids that end up choking on them, also swimming pools, it should be a felony to own one of these... MURDERS!!

okay okay now I'm done =P

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