What happens when pirates play a game..

heroo · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 6618 **Location:**

BuDo wrote:

heroo wrote:

As long as COD generates over 1 billion dollars each year, no one can tell me piracy is seriously damaging the entertainment industry.

The same thought process could be used for robbing walmart.... But yet you probably wouldn't do it..hmmm

Huh? I don't really understand your point. What I meant to say is that piracy is not damaging the entertainment industry, because there are still companies that know how to convince people into actually buying their game. If your game gets downloaded a lot, you are doing something wrong as a company. Apparently you can't convince people that they are getting worth for their money.

Fury · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 1596 **Location:**

IGN recently posted something similar as well.
http://au.ign.com/articles/2013/04/29/e ... ideo-games

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

Fiction wrote:

Budo... In no way is pirating data the same as stealing credit card numbers... One is infinite, the other is connected to someone's account that is actually losing money... C'mon, you're smarter than that.. Maybe

The analogy isn't spot on but you could surmise the potential loss in funds to the creator to that of the loss in funds to the credit card holder...Not exactly the same but some similarities are there...

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

heroo wrote:

BuDo wrote:

heroo wrote:

As long as COD generates over 1 billion dollars each year, no one can tell me piracy is seriously damaging the entertainment industry.

The same thought process could be used for robbing walmart.... But yet you probably wouldn't do it..hmmm

Huh? I don't really understand your point. What I meant to say is that piracy is not damaging the entertainment industry, because there are still companies that know how to convince people into actually buying their game. If your game gets downloaded a lot, you are doing something wrong as a company. Apparently you can't convince people that they are getting worth for their money.

Your game being downloaded a lot could mean its that good as well... The point I was trying to make is that would you steal from Ikea or de Bijenkorf if you could easily get away with it? And use the idea that these guys are raking in billions to justify it?

Lets not kid ourselves here...just because its virtual/digital doesn't mean its not theft...someone is illegally distributing intellectual property/copyrights material for others to enjoy...

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

Fury wrote:

Man please, not one of you can say you've never pirated a movie or game so get off your high horses.

lol I agree with you and yes I have pirated microsoft's shit and I could care less because they're a colossal **** up and a vulture. I've spent enough money on them (and still do but slowly moving to Mac now). The thread started out with these Indy companies (up starts it seems
) trying to make a head-way into this business. Kinda shitty that pirating is preventing new entrants into the industry who are probably more creative than the existing incumbents/fuckups....I have a soft spot for the little guy what can I say...

Avalanche · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 3606 **Location:**

Aventus wrote:

If you don't want to buy a shitty game, stop preordering them. Anyone who complains about buying a shitty game has no one to blame but themselves. So don't use that as an excuse.

People pre-order stuff all the time because they offer incentives along with it. Like for Mass Effect 3 they gave Battlefield 3 away for free. How the hell will someone know if its a shitty game if it isn't even out? Logic, you have none.

omier · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 5985 **Location:** ...

Avalanche wrote:

Aventus wrote:

If you don't want to buy a shitty game, stop preordering them. Anyone who complains about buying a shitty game has no one to blame but themselves. So don't use that as an excuse.

People pre-order stuff all the time because they offer incentives along with it. Like for Mass Effect 3 they gave Battlefield 3 away for free. How the hell will someone know if its a shitty game if it isn't even out? Logic, you have none.

That's actually because reviewers will publish their reviews as late as possible so when you read them, you have already preordered. And reviewers will have to keep doing this if they want to keep their position as a reviewer.

Toshiharu · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 4222 **Location:** Nowhere

Fiction wrote:

BuDo wrote:

the fact is most pirates "sample" the game for free and if they love it they still see no need to pay for it afterwords...[/color]

Could you give a source to back this statement up? I've bought several games on steam that I had already pirated. I wouldn't have bought them at all if I had not pirated them first. This is the only way I will buy a PC game(less I know the franchise). I have yet to buy the heap of shit that is SimCity.

Music industry did a research on who bought more music was it pirates or normal consumers? It was

Spoiler!

I'm way too lazy to give a citation though. A german author gave his new novel out for free and ended up with far more sales for his previous books. There's quite of a bit of things saying piracy = more sales. Simple because word of mouth, they enjoyed the product, and they want more of it. However, there are people that just do it, because it's free and no one is going to slap their hand unless they distributed it themself or win the lottery of one of these guys going out and suing people.

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

^
hmm interesting...

Fiction · **Posted:** Thu May 02, 2013 12:54 am

BuDo wrote:

Your game being downloaded a lot could mean its that good as well... The point I was trying to make is that would you steal from Ikea or de Bijenkorf if you could easily get away with it? And use the idea that these guys are raking in billions to justify it?

Lets not kid ourselves here...just because its virtual/digital doesn't mean its not theft...someone is illegally distributing intellectual property/copyrights material for others to enjoy...

BuDo wrote:

lol I agree with you and yes I have pirated microsoft's shit and I could care less because they're a colossal **** up and a vulture. I've spent enough money on them (and still do but slowly moving to Mac now). The thread started out with these Indy companies (up starts it seems
) trying to make a head-way into this business. Kinda shitty that pirating is preventing new entrants into the industry who are probably more creative than the existing incumbents/fuckups....I have a soft spot for the little guy what can I say...

Nuff said. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

You've shown absolutely no proof that piracy has caused any company to go out of business.(once again, piracy is not the same as stealing a physical items{or credit card numbers or bank accounts yada yada[it's dumb that I even have to elaborate on that]}.) Also, I've heard of several companies using piracy to their advantage. Example: 50 cent, who is now one of the riches rappers alive, said if they're stealing your stuff, you know you're doing it right, and it spread his music to the mainstream. That in turn helped him become as successful as he is today.

Yet again, you've shown you know very little about the issues, yet you seem so confident at handing out your opinion as fact.

In BuDo's world, thou shalt not let friends borrow video game without sending royalties to developer.

Toshiharu · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 4222 **Location:** Nowhere

BuDo wrote:

^
hmm interesting...

Actual sources

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/2 ... 26417.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI

Remember these are very small samples and various other digital medias it can be completely different. Don't take what I said as a 100% fact for every digital medium.

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

Fiction wrote:

BuDo wrote:

Your game being downloaded a lot could mean its that good as well... The point I was trying to make is that would you steal from Ikea or de Bijenkorf if you could easily get away with it? And use the idea that these guys are raking in billions to justify it?

Lets not kid ourselves here...just because its virtual/digital doesn't mean its not theft...someone is illegally distributing intellectual property/copyrights material for others to enjoy...

BuDo wrote:

lol I agree with you and yes I have pirated microsoft's shit and I could care less because they're a colossal **** up and a vulture. I've spent enough money on them (and still do but slowly moving to Mac now). The thread started out with these Indy companies (up starts it seems
) trying to make a head-way into this business. Kinda shitty that pirating is preventing new entrants into the industry who are probably more creative than the existing incumbents/fuckups....I have a soft spot for the little guy what can I say...

Nuff said. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

You've shown absolutely no proof that piracy has caused any company to go out of business.(once again, piracy is not the same as stealing a physical items{or credit card numbers or bank accounts yada yada[it's dumb that I even have to elaborate on that]}.) Also, I've heard of several companies using piracy to their advantage. Example: 50 cent, who is now one of the riches rappers alive, said if they're stealing your stuff, you know you're doing it right, and it spread his music to the mainstream. That in turn helped him become as successful as he is today.

Yet again, you've shown you know very little about the issues, yet you seem so confident at handing out your opinion as fact.

In BuDo's world, thou shalt not let friends borrow video game without sending royalties to developer.

You're mis-understanding me. Its obvious I am not 100% against pirating as you've pointed out my "hypocrisy". Companies that I end up pirating from (as you can see from my post) are ones that I have already supported for years... They've ƒucked around with my patronage and now deserve to be pirated...

My argument isn't in total favor of one side or the other if you're paying attention...or else I wouldn't have mentioned that I pirated from microsoft..or mention that I supported private SRO servers......I am more probing why others do it...

Aslo..I never said or claimed my opinion to be fact...don't know where u got that from other reading into shit too much....I merely ask probing questions to garner a response..Also don't know why are you asking me for proof of companies being destroyed by piracy because I wasn't discussing such extreme effects but rather the act being wrong or OK...

If you want facts I will give you facts...The truth is pirating affect the bottom line for all of these companies...The question is to what degree (which depend on numerous factors)....for some its insignificant while others (like upstarts) in can be very significant....

"once again, piracy is not the same as stealing a physical items{or credit card numbers or bank accounts yada yada[it's dumb that I even have to elaborate on that"

If for some reason you had a server in your home where lots of people are getting free copies of some game you had and for argument sake your operation was being monitored and reported and cops come to your house and find your whole setup, do you think you'd be able to convince them (or a court) that what you're doing isn't the same as stealing??...because its virtual and not physical??

Skyve · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 7328 **Location:** Canada

Oh oh a topic about pirating on SRF

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

Well, there's pirates everywhere! xD

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