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watch this video, will u http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n17kUv9PDvc
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pure str bow have less HP than glaiver, but bowmanship doesnt have skill that gives effect, so u'll die in anyway (we're talking about pvp with same gear). Stuning in 5s, glaiver will have enough time to restore it's loss HP.

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@Dempster OMG stfu pls u play on OASIS dude that means u arent from the beginning on there AEGE is the first server and im a beta tester aswell u dont know anything u noob u want to show us that u have a lvl 70 char und so one on oasis = pro = experience enough to tell that pure are the best ? u are an idiot man u dont know anything... u make a pure char because u read that pure char are the best so u make that shlt ... i play over 1 year know i think i have more experience than u ..... idiot i have a full str archer 70 on aege but he sux i have also a lvl 56 full int archer sux aswell but then Wind a friend from me on aege startet the 80:80 and 80:80 ist not 50:50 ..... idiot a str byrid has kinda 80:45 so and int hybrid 45:80 but wtf are u talking with 50:50 ITS 80:80 man dont make u look like an idiot noob and talking here shlt u will see GO TO AEGE PLS make your ..... full str glavier and pvp WInd i BET my 45MIL that u will die not stop discussing do me that favour and go to aege (u wanna be oasis pro)


@Wildlag i change the server to Troy and start there a new char 23 right now 8 lvl gap and 70:70 (but right now + int and str bonus i have 75:79)
dude 80:80 build can survive easily against a nuker full str glavier is a bit harder but u can own them...i think its not to late but it would take u a hard work and long time to change now.... but i would suggest u to make a new bow char with 70:70 u will see the different
btw why did i change the server ? because Wind my friend has a 81:80 bow on aege and he is one of the strongest... so i want to make a strong char in another server.... to show them that this build is kinda special...
but its up to u if u believe me then make or change ur char u will be surprise i promise... i worked over 1 year to find the this build out...

@longlost yea thats right what u are talking but u need to use fire as main fore and lighning for the passive the pirecing series give u bonus mag damage and from fire u take the flame body it gives u phy damage so that would be perfect for a 80:80 build right ?
for ur second quest hmm i dont really know cause i worked kinda only for bow not for blade but no1 find now out which balance is the best for blade but i would kinda think 90:70 that means u get 90% phy balance then u wear equips with lots of INT stats through the INT stats u will get a better damage because blader arent the damage dealer right ? its up to everyone how he makes his build but i think for blader it shouled be 90:70 but im not sure....

@NuclearSilo full str bower dont have a good chance to win a pvp against full str glavier or blader because the damage of bow sux.... bow isnt a full str weapon .... but it seems here that most ppl want to waste there time first to make the full str bow and get pwned.... nvm i just want to share with u my experience...

AND im gonna pissed off now because of dempster if u ..... guy dont beleive me than stfu or go to AEGE server the first server.... and WATCH OUR FOR WIND.... or ask some1else who is one of the strongest inda server which use bow...every1 will tell ITS WIND dam man if u dont have experience than dont tell shlt....u go your way and i go my way...i share my experience to other bowuser...and you just stfu ok ? man

any1 got a question on this build befor i quitting writing here , because im gonna pissed off.... work over 1 year to find the build out and then a wanna be come and tell shlt..... grrr

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any pvp video of Wind? I rarely see a bowman pvp in my server, so i dont know much about hybrid bow

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jadekiss i really appreciated ur intention to teach us the best bower based on ur experienced..so pls don quit now..i really understand now why magical balance is also very important to deal more dmg..my questions is

1) i know thats ur keeping ur skills allocations secret, but im a willing to hear persons...pls tell me wat skills do u allocate in?

the gap now is lvl80 so i might say that u put lightning 70 fire 80 pacheon 80 cold 70? similar like that???. fire i guess u put at 80 to make the imbue dmg higher? or should i just let it at 70?..where i can get max fire imbue last book???

pls help..i really interested in ur build tq..


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A few questions and comments:

is the 80:80 with or without gear? It would be pretty tough to maintain with gear.
does wind have sos gear on?

The sos question is an important one. Almost any player with +5 sos full blue armor is going to win almost regardless of their skills. especially if they have a sos +7-9 weapon.

I don't know wind, never seen him fight or his gear so I can't say and since non of us play on that server with a high level character we can't test it.

I honestly believe that the hybrid bow idea is a horrible one (as is pure int bow), but thats my opinion.


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@NuclearSilo nope i wasted a lot of time in witting this build already and i wasted a lot of time to find out the best build for bow... and now i dont have the nervs to make a pvp video of Wind... just do me the favour if u dont believe... u have obtions
1. go to aege watch Wind when he is pvping
2. just ignore me and stfu

BTW. i just want to help all the newbie bower because i know how it is to dont know anything what to do with a bow how to build him right and so on... i cant tell u only PURE isnt a good way but nvm go ur own way if u think its right

@longlost i thx u that u show so many interesting in this build i promise u that u will be surprised later how strong this build really is...
i can tell u something about my skilling way but not all :
you are right that i go 80 pacheon 80 fire and 70 light and 70 cold thats true... u are quite good ;) 1 tipp from me use protector as gear...why ?
because later u use the fire protection for mag defense and ice guard skill for phy defense + protector = nearly garment + armour all int 1 set can u follow me ? sound amazing huh ? u have a high mag def against nuker and high phy defen against pure str.....another tipp ialready told u is piercing series + flame body series which give u mag and phy attack power extra ... then u are kinda a 90:90 build if u do it right keep that in ur mind and dont listen to the other which all full str or like that the dont have experience on this way they cant imagine how strong this build would be later BUT SP FARMING is A MUST

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@hellsharpt yea the 80:80 build is from gear btw wind has 82:80 and he doesnt has sos protector set but lots of blues i think and also no sos weapon .... but no1 kils ysutareu so much as him yea every1 has his own opinion but u guys dont make the experience with it right ? so u cant tell that it sux or something like that but nvm ...its ur choice of build i dont care i just want to help some ppl who loves bow and want to make a good char... and they shouldnt waste their time on full str << i tell it of my own experience

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@Dempster OMG stfu pls u play on OASIS dude that means u arent from the beginning on there AEGE is the first server and im a beta tester aswell u dont know anything u noob u want to show us that u have a lvl 70 char und so one on oasis = pro = experience enough to tell that pure are the best ? u are an idiot man u dont know anything... u make a pure char because u read that pure char are the best so u make that shlt ... i play over 1 year know i think i have more experience than u ..... idiot i have a full str archer 70 on aege but he sux i have also a lvl 56 full int archer sux aswell but then Wind a friend from me on aege startet the 80:80 and 80:80 ist not 50:50 ..... idiot a str byrid has kinda 80:45 so and int hybrid 45:80 but wtf are u talking with 50:50 ITS 80:80 man dont make u look like an idiot noob and talking here shlt u will see GO TO AEGE PLS make your ..... full str glavier and pvp WInd i BET my 45MIL that u will die not stop discussing do me that favour and go to aege (u wanna be oasis pro)


@Wildlag i change the server to Troy and start there a new char 23 right now 8 lvl gap and 70:70 (but right now + int and str bonus i have 75:79)
dude 80:80 build can survive easily against a nuker full str glavier is a bit harder but u can own them...i think its not to late but it would take u a hard work and long time to change now.... but i would suggest u to make a new bow char with 70:70 u will see the different
btw why did i change the server ? because Wind my friend has a 81:80 bow on aege and he is one of the strongest... so i want to make a strong char in another server.... to show them that this build is kinda special...
but its up to u if u believe me then make or change ur char u will be surprise i promise... i worked over 1 year to find the this build out...

@longlost yea thats right what u are talking but u need to use fire as main fore and lighning for the passive the pirecing series give u bonus mag damage and from fire u take the flame body it gives u phy damage so that would be perfect for a 80:80 build right ?
for ur second quest hmm i dont really know cause i worked kinda only for bow not for blade but no1 find now out which balance is the best for blade but i would kinda think 90:70 that means u get 90% phy balance then u wear equips with lots of INT stats through the INT stats u will get a better damage because blader arent the damage dealer right ? its up to everyone how he makes his build but i think for blader it shouled be 90:70 but im not sure....

@NuclearSilo full str bower dont have a good chance to win a pvp against full str glavier or blader because the damage of bow sux.... bow isnt a full str weapon .... but it seems here that most ppl want to waste there time first to make the full str bow and get pwned.... nvm i just want to share with u my experience...

AND im gonna pissed off now because of dempster if u ..... guy dont beleive me than stfu or go to AEGE server the first server.... and WATCH OUR FOR WIND.... or ask some1else who is one of the strongest inda server which use bow...every1 will tell ITS WIND dam man if u dont have experience than dont tell shlt....u go your way and i go my way...i share my experience to other bowuser...and you just stfu ok ? man

any1 got a question on this build befor i quitting writing here , because im gonna pissed off.... work over 1 year to find the build out and then a wanna be come and tell shlt..... grrr


you fcking noob, xian was first server, and i was here the day it opened, so stfu, and trying to side step the issue, you are full of shit and your char build is garbage.


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@hellsharpt yea the 80:80 build is from gear btw wind has 82:80 and he doesnt has sos protector set but lots of blues i think and also no sos weapon .... but no1 kils ysutareu so much as him yea every1 has his own opinion but u guys dont make the experience with it right ? so u cant tell that it sux or something like that but nvm ...its ur choice of build i dont care i just want to help some ppl who loves bow and want to make a good char... and they shouldnt waste their time on full str << i tell it of my own experience


any noob can kill issy, how often does wind own yarkan??

You are SUCH a noob. Keep getting upset because i said 50/50 hybrid and you cannot understand that a "80:80" hybrid IS FIFTY FIFTY it takes as much int for 80% as it does str HALF/HALF are you mentally retarded and cannot understand this?


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@Dempster omg what of the term STFU u dont understand ? if u dont like this build then dont post here just STFU and go play on oasis with ur full str char or whatever who cares ? did u try anything out ? nope u play from formulars like full str glavie build or simething shitty like that so dont show off here with ur big balls

i just said already u can go to the server aege and watch wind playing or just ignorem e and STFU man...do i know howm uch he killed yarkan ? that show how carefully u read my post .... i said i changed the server and now stop discussing with me and get a life i know u are the best in oais bla bla u are the #1 yea but who cares ? who cares that

i only post here now if some1 really want to know about the 80:80 build and needs help if not then close this thread and play ur shitty full str char or whatever..who cares i wasted a lot of time already but nvm

@btw its not half half noob their u show again how pro u are and carefully u work on ur char tzzzz u have more int than str that is the fact why u are so strong and 80:80 balance give u also high hp and more damage... but nvm u PWN man u are the best

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nice debate..one noob question what is the differ between 50:50 and 80:80..the ratio is the same..ppl say 50:50 not mean the balance 50:50 but the state point u put..from what u teach..u jz like building 1:1 build and through str and int tab to maintain at 80phy 80 mag balance??
personally i think bow should be hybrid oso..now i m trying on pure int bow..but mayb switch and try ur build


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watch this video, will u http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n17kUv9PDvc
look at the damage
pure str bow have less HP than glaiver, but bowmanship doesnt have skill that gives effect, so u'll die in anyway (we're talking about pvp with same gear). Stuning in 5s, glaiver will have enough time to restore it's loss HP.


oh jesus fcking christ, i cant believe you - you have no fcking idea what gear they are wearing, they could have +nothing garments on for all you know, how dare you take this as fact that hybrid ss owns all, :banghead:

the one guy in sos wep/shield could have all sos +7 gear on too, you have no idea this is simply some noob's speculation for all i care


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@ilsyk.... nope its not... oh man... if u put 1:1 u have more phy balance than mag balance BECAUSE ur char dont have a 70:70 balance at the beginning never noticed that ? at the beginning u have to put all ur points in int first the get the mag balance to 70% up and to low the phy balance from 80 or like that to 70% down than u have a 70:70 build....and now u put ur points kinda like 1:1 but not at the beginning that is the FACT why it isnt a 1:1 build and later u have 80:80 build ... now dempster u uberpro its still have and half and half huh ? jaja ur proness own us all i know

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@ilsyk.... nope its not... oh man... if u put 1:1 u have more phy balance than mag balance BECAUSE ur char dont have a 70:70 balance at the beginning never noticed that ? at the beginning u have to put all ur points in int first the get the mag balance to 70% up and to low the phy balance from 80 or like that to 70% down than u have a 70:70 build....and now u put ur points kinda like 1:1 but not at the beginning that is the FACT why it isnt a 1:1 build and later u have 80:80 build ... now dempster u uberpro its still have and half and half huh ? jaja ur proness own us all i know


Well, I doubt anyone else has a goddam clue what you're trying to say with you"80:80" retard build either, you haven't done a very good job explaining wtf you mean, do us all a favour and post some screen shots of your lvl 70-whatever "80:80" peice a crap,
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do us all a favour and remind us which server you believe was the first server, aege you say? LOL Have to say that doesnt suprise me, its about as valid as the rest of this thread.


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its still have and half and half huh ?

Oh my God, what the hell are you trying to say. :|

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@Dempster dont show us your kiddie side pls that make ur proness look very poor...
but thats true i dont have a pic of a lvl 70 80:80 balance build...but who cares... itold u already ignore my thread if u dont think so... and stfu ... but u keep on discussing like a noob but nvm.... u want it so right ?

well done i stop now posting here sry for the guys who want to learn about this build but thx dempster for it

nvm if some1 really interessted in this build can pm me or not but i think i stop posting here now... was a bad idea to post my build.. who cares have fun on making crappy full str char or whatever

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I was building a 70/70 (80/80 with pimped gear) archer and got it to lvl46. On average it does a little more damage than a pure str archer of the same level but I'd always get owned by pures around my same level - archers do depend on crits and they just don't hit hard enough on this build. I got sick of getting owned so I read up enough and rerolled. My pure str archer is at 43 now and I'll be switching.

From what I understand, and this is all speculative from what I've heard random folks say. The 70/70 char has some potential but I'd need to be farmed up like crazy for all the buffs and good passives.

Anyhow, I hate to abandon the old char. I was thinking about farming while doing curst hearts and changing it to sword/shield. Any opinions on this? Should I stick with it and see how the 70/70 archer ends up?


This was never a "new" idea, and unlike you this guy actually has a char.. but as I said, the char blows. ^^


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@ilsyk.... nope its not... oh man... if u put 1:1 u have more phy balance than mag balance BECAUSE ur char dont have a 70:70 balance at the beginning never noticed that ? at the beginning u have to put all ur points in int first the get the mag balance to 70% up and to low the phy balance from 80 or like that to 70% down than u have a 70:70 build....and now u put ur points kinda like 1:1 but not at the beginning that is the FACT why it isnt a 1:1 build and later u have 80:80 build ... now dempster u uberpro its still have and half and half huh ? jaja ur proness own us all i know


Well, I doubt anyone else has a goddam clue what you're trying to say with you"80:80" retard build either, you haven't done a very good job explaining wtf you mean, do us all a favour and post some screen shots of your lvl 70-whatever "80:80" peice a crap,
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phy. balance : 81 % mag. balance : 82%

the - 90 stat points are the attributs of equipment

str : 221 int : 254 --> so it isnt 1:1 hybrid


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@I.Wanna.Be.Made lol u again xD ... man on which server are u playing ? if u want to make a char on troy then tell me im there too...

@Dempster... oh man can we stop discussing ?tired of that SHIT i know im not the first guy who has this idea did i say that ? nope i just posted here the bow guide and nothing else... uwant to make or u like pure chars ? good go ur way i didnt say anything that u sux with ur char or like that now stop discussing

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jadekiss, i aggree with u most in this topic about 3 things:

1) ur true about the imbue dmg and piercing series (light), before i started playing sro, im a new player collecting 180k sp + already in 3 month still at lvl 16, i read about build and study the game mechanics. from wat i see is the imbue dmg is related to INT. so if the INT is high so dmg will be higher.

i also see that physical dmg is lower that INT dmg. so thats sums it, a pure physical build for me isnt the best dmg dealer build because even u have crit and >crit weapon to it, its still 50% chances, so whoever have a balance that of physical and magic can do constant plus higher dmg + they do have crit too, but lower, but...they do constant higher dmg perhit.

the problem when u balance this physical and magical factor is ull have low HP points. so the solutions for this is to balance it so u have enough hp just to block at least 1 crit from pure str or simple is..to survive a few crits from a pure str. this balance i still cant find yet cuz there is no dmg dealer calc...if it has, sure ill calculate the average crit dmg and compared it my health factor.. :wink:

2) the assumption of 1:1 is not true at all, cuz the magic balance is higher then the physical balance..so u have to play abit with the stats point..the prove is the bobtheveg calc..

3) the bow is not for str weapon. i make a bow char at first. and there is and explanations on bow when u choose it at first time u make a char. its says similarly that bows have balance physical and magical power..

this is why i quit aggree and interested in jadekiss build..alot of wat he say is true..

so the conclusions is if u wanted to make a dmg dealer build with a bower, blader or glaiver, go hybrid but i dont know what the balance is. but if u wanted to be super tanker, go pure str.

maybe people will say dmg is higher but lower survival, but then this build sure rocks if PVM. tq


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In addition to a skill with a crit bonus, bow's have physical skills with high reinforce percentages. In fact, these and a high range are the only things that a bow char has going for it. Any points you put toward int just weaken your only assets.


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@longlost thx u very much that u take a lot of time to read all my post and that u agree with it... i can say only its up to everyone how they build their chars.... i dont want to say here that this build is the ultimative build which every1 need to do.... its just a guide from me and an idea nothing else ...

but i can say that i have a lot of experience on bow thats why i can say that this way of bow build is the best way... but it also depends on how skilled u are thats why SP FARMING is a MUST... right now im doing sp farming aswell till i have kinda 150-200k then i go on but right now i have a balance of 76:79 ... and im very contently... i have a lots of hp to survive a lot of mobs and im still strong with a 9 lvl gap from my mastery..

but fire and lighning skill are a must to get the extra mag and phy attack power through the skills....
if u do everything well then nothing can stop u :) good luck and have fun on this build... BUT u know its up to u u can go this way... but if u think nah Jadekiss is talking shit than go ur STR way but i dont care :) that guide here is just a help to make a bow char :)

@longlost to ur 3. point itst rue bow is a balanced weapon it doesnt has the mag attack power like a spear and not the phy attack power like a glavie its more like BLADE + SWORD so why not 80:80 build ? such a build is more than a 1:1 build or like the other build because u make ur char cause of the balance ... u put a balance AIM and u heading towards it its more work than just a simple 2:1 or like that...

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@perducci....u are wrong... every weapon skill based on phy attack power so if u go this way then every weapon should kinda use as a pure STR weapon ? thats the mistake :) but ok now let us do some maths

same lvl bow crits on a same lvl monster ok ? so
1. a 98% phy and 33% mag bower hit 7000 crit = 6000 phy and 1000mag

2. now let the 80:80 bower hit a crit = 4000 dmg from 80% phy and 4000+dmg from 80% mag attack power = 8000+ so what is stronger ? i surely would hit a bad crit without ur imbue as a 80:80 bower instead of a 98:33 thats true... but with imbue u are stronger that is the fact...

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I have been reading this topic the whole time and think it has some value. I logged onto aege server and pm'ed Wind yet he didn't respond. I was kinda mad that I couldn't get a direct source so I kept playing. When I was on RedSea their was a guy who was pacheon. He said that he was 1str:2int. He liked the build very much and said he didn't pretty good in pvp. Thats when this post really sparked my interest. So, I decided to make a hybrid bower and see how it par's up against my pure str.

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@taintofleep ... yea wind isk inda almost always on but very often afk or like that its hard to pm him and get an answer but just try it next time again and i bet u if u ask him if the 80:80 bow build own a full str bower he will surely say yes !! this kind of hybrid build for bow is amazing strong but just find it out on ur own ... the steps how to make one is just posted from me here u just need to follow the construction...

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:25 am 
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yes jack i agree with what you say. i really want my char stronger
i just regret reading this topic too late since i am high lvl now.
i really dont have incentive to open up a new char coz its really
a time consuming game... if the item mall can offer a rellocate stat point scroll i would make it a try!! unfortunately there isnt.

i have used that program to forecast my balance at lv 80 if i put all int from lv 56. its no way for me to get to 70:70.....
so i have to stuck with my str bow now...well its not strong but i think
i can pwn nuker at least.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:46 am 
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I planned to make one too.
At lvl 30 I'm not that bad at PvP (offcourse lvl 30 doesn't say much). Granted a lvl 24+4 som bow helps a lot, but that's the only time I can afford a som xD.

I prefer a higher base damage then needing my crits to kill someone.
And my crits will still hurt.

The only downside is the massive farming I need to do, but that are worries for at the cap.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:23 am 
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@wildlag yea.... its kinda so... but u can go ur full str way but that is not the best choice ... because u will see that if someone on your server has a 80:80 bow build it will be pain for u if u pvp him.... full str have massive hp but they arent the damage dealer... they survive longer but cant kill strong enemys fast enough... but it always depends... so i wish u good luck wish the full str bow... its still ok not the best choice but ok... i also know that silkroad is a consuming game and if u start a new char u need kinda do massive sp farming for it so its up to u =) but i suggest you to try out this build and u will see =)

@takolin yea such a build withouth sp farming is shit.... so no pain no gain right ? ;) i need to pvp at kinda lvl 42+ there u will see it better ;) but it depends on how skilled u are and what gear u wear...i suggest protector.. good luck and have fun =)
btw ur crit will be strong... because ur mag attack power of ur imbue just look up some post befor i posted it =)

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