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Thanks for the few who helped to contribute to the data. With what I’ve been able to compile, I’ve created an XP/SP ratio table located at http://srodatabank.incarnum.com/index.p ... o_SP_Ratio As you can see, it’s far from being anywhere close to complete, but even with this limited data, I’ve been able to form a few hypotheses.

1. I was apparently able to interpolate the results for skill mastery level 6 for levels 23 to 28. The values incremented by about 6% and gave fairly close values for the end points. These will need to be verified with actual data however.

2. This interpolation breaks down at the lower levels. This leads me to believe that either the incrementals are different at the lower levels and then shift, or that there are blocks in which a constant percentage increase would be appropriate to use. Again, more data is needed in order to interpolate any additional values.

3. Based solely on Character level 5 data, it appeared that the multiplicative factor across the chart is 0.75. Unfortunately, there are no other character levels for which I have three data points to see if this constant multiplier persists across all character levels.

I’ve also formed a hypothesis on how rounding seems to work.

For each additional party member, you get 3% extra experience. But, the effect does not appear to be multiplicative. That is, if you had 4 party members, you would receive 1.09 extra experience, not 1.092727. After you multiply both your XP and SP by this number, you round down.

The XP/SP ratios that I’ve calculated and observed seem to follow an opposite rounding pattern. When you divide the XP by the XP/SP ratio, you will then have to round up to get the correct SP ratio. In the actual data however, I was finding that I was getting errors of +/- 1. I think this is due to the fact that most of the data that I’ve collected was from a 4 party group so the rounding errors compound upon each other. I haven’t determined which rounding comes first or if all calculations are done together then rounded.

Champions and Giants do seem to give exactly 2x and 15x experience for a full kill. This may vary by a few points from party rounding.

Again, any more data that anyone can provide would be greatly appreciated. Format the data into Mob Name / CharLvl/ Highest Skill Level / # in party / Char XP / Skill XP. If you look around the wiki, I’ve started to put in some tables of observed experience gain based on mob/party size/char level/skill mastery lvl. Please feel free to help out and add in what you know. If anyone is willing to help out on a greater magnitude, please give me a pm. Thanks and I hope to update with more information soon!

~Aurium (Babel)

Edit: New website! =)

I've read all of it and it is impressive that you did what you did. I'm not good with numbers and formulae. So, after reading that, my head hurts >_<

Lvl/Mastery - exp/sxp

1/0 - 23/119
1/1 - 52/218

2/2 - 51/109
2/1 - 22/59
2/0 - 40/129

3/3 - 49/70
3/2 - 44/77
3/0 - 34/91

4/4 - 150/160
4/3 - 43/56
4/0 - 61/152

5/5 - 128/109
5/4 - 131/136
5/0 - 49/126

6/6 - 125/88
6/5 - 112/97
6/4 - 79/84
6/3 - 71/94
6/2 - 61/101
6/1 - 50/108
6/0 - 40/115

15/10 - 157/133
15/9 - 126/142

16/11 - 169/135

17/12 - 168/122

18/13 - 212/150
18/14 - 261/144
18/15 - 304/133

19/15 - 269/140
19/16 - 627/260

20/17 - 313/123

i'll post more when i have it ^^

shummie:

wow. i always love to see when people put a lot of time and effort into helping others understand the game better, in whatever way is most comfortable to them. some people make guides, others offer advice, and some, like yourself, like a logical approach. 20pts to you, sir ;)

LEVEL 23
MASTERY 15

devil bug 120e/195s
hynugno ghost soldier 132e/213s
hyungno ghost 143e/232s
demon horse 156e/252s

LEVEL 23
MASTERY 16

demon horse 236e/238s
earth ghost 279e/282s

lvl 24
mastery 21

Meek Gun Powder/Earth Ghost 583/182 = ~3.20

Mob Name / CharLvl/ Highest Skill Level / # in party / Char XP / Skill XP

char Level 31
Highest Mastery 30

4 member full party
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Scorpion 1019exp/140sp
scorpion giant 14930exp/2063sp

blood death flower 1183exp/163sp


3 member party
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earth taoist (hp ~1500) 851exp/117sp
earth magician 851exp/177sp

earth ghost 606exp/83sp
meek gun powder 606exp/83exp

Hyeongcheon 851exp/117sp
Hyeongcheon guard 780exp/107sp

scorpion 991exp/136sp

In my previous post, I forgot to note how many people were in my party. I think it was full, since I tend to keep my party full, but I can't be sure. Sorry 'bout that. All this is full party.

LEVEL 23
MASTERY 16
FULL PARTY
Chakji 152e/154s
Chakji Worker 130e/132s

LEVEL 23
MASTERY 17
FULL PARTY
Chakji Worker 174e/124s
Chakji 203e/146s
Devil Bug 243e/173s
Ghost Bug 223e/159s

LEVEL 23
MASTERY 18
FULL PARTY
Devil Bug 304e/162s
Ghost Bug 279e/149s
Chakji 256e/136s
Chakji Worker 219e/116s

LEVEL 23
MASTERY 19
FULL PARTY
Chakji Worker 262e/109s
Chakji 307e/127s
Ghost Bug 334e/139s
Devil Bug 365e/151s

Thanks all for your contributions so far. I have entered in all the information into my excel spreadsheet and will update the wiki page Monday morning!

char Level 32
Highest Mastery 30

4 member full party
------------------------
Earth Ghost 554exp/89sp
Hyeongcheon 775exp/122sp

3 member team
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Hyeongcheon 734exp/118sp
Hyeongcheon guard 673exp/108sp
Scorpion 857exp/137sp
Black Scorpion 793exp/137sp

char lvl 18
mastery lvls 9

4 member full party

BANDIT SUBORDINATE
10 xp 50 sp
BANDIT
41 xp 188 sp
YOUNG TIGER
29 xp 134 sp
TIGER
31 xp 143 sp
BLACK TIGER
45 xp 207 sp
WHITE TIGER
CHAKJI WORKER
54 xp 244 sp
50 xp 225 sp

Thanks for the additional data! I've updated the table at http://www.editthis.info/srodatabank/in ... P_SP_Ratio and have extrapolated values. Updates will be provided as I get them!!

I think you placed one value to wrong slot. I posted earlier exp info from char level 31 and masteries at 30. You placed that number then on your chart to slot "char level 30, mastery difference 1 ie. mastery 29". You need to drop it down one row.

Whoops, thanks for catching that! All fixed now! =)

Some higher levels need to add to this, :/

Can we look forward to a formula or two being derived from the data at some point?

LEVEL 34
MASTERY 30
PARTY 3/4

Blood Devil Flower 656e/149s
Blood Death Flower 709e/161s
Scorpion 607e/137s

I have some generalizations I can make about the lower levels and mid levels that I can share for now. It appears that levels 1-about 5 act very differently than the rest of the levels. (~6-30). I see consistent patterns within levels 6-30 which allowed me to interpolate values for the XP/SP ratios that you saw on the wiki. As for a concrete formula, I'm not sure if I will be able to derive one, but I will be able to describe the relationships between everything.

I need a few more data points on the higher levels (30+) preferably some around 40 and some around 50 as that will allow me to extrapolate what I have and see whether or not the pattern appears to hold true for the high levels as well. If they do, then I will be able to post a full xp/sp chart.

In order to determine formulas, I believe calculating purely the XP/SP ratios are a mistake. Someone (I forget who) mentioned that if you are alone, your Skill Mastery = Character Level = Mob level, then the amount of SP you get will be the same each and every level. In this case, I think it was 109. So, perhaps the correct way to do this is to determine that matrix and then determine a way to calculate each mob's base XP. Of course, that requires an insanely large amount of work, so XP/SP ratios will have to suffice even though they are approximations (and fairly good ones at that).

I will be writing a more detailed article when I have the time to do so. Be on the lookout for it!

Lvl 20
Mastery 11
Full party

Bandit:
35 xp
148 sp

Edit: So, if you are farming, it doesn't matter what mob you farm? If SP is a set number (109 at all lvls equal), than a Lvl 32 char with lvl 32 masteries would get the same SP from a lvl 32 mob than if all those numbers were 16.

Sorry if I wasn't completely clear in my post. You are correct, the SP you gain if all those values are 32 is the same as if all those values are 16.

I'll clarify a bit more here.
The SP that you gain from a mob seems to be dependant upon 2 variables (by extension 3). Your skill mastery gap and the difference between the mob level and your character level. For example... (these are completely made up numbers)

If you are Level 10, with Skill Mastery (SM) of 8, killing a mob level 10. you get 100 SP.

If you are Level 22, ,with SM of 20, killing a mob of lvl 22, you get 100 SP.

If you are level 22, with SM of 18, killin ga mob of 22, you get 110 sp.

You get the picture =). So, it does still matter what mob you farm, just perhaps not as great as an extent as you might think.

I guess since I'm on the topic I may as well explain another thing to those who may be confused or wondering what the point of all this xp/sp ratio stuff is for.

Why is it that we keep a large SP gap in order to farm (i.e. 9 levels)? The amount of SP that we get in addition is minimal (relative to the actual effect). I.e. Let's say at level 20 you get 100 SXP / kill at 0 skill mastery gap (SMG) and 150 SXP / kill at 9 SMG. At first look, it looks as if the net gain is 50%. But there's a 2nd element at play. The XP/SP ratio decreases dramatically as your SMG increases. Assume it takes 100,000 xp to level up. Continuing our example... Let's assume that it's 500/100 / kill at 0 SMG and 50/150 at 9 SMG. Here's where the real effect of SP farming comes into play. It takes you 200 kills to get a level at 0 SMG and 2000 kills to get a level at 9 SMG. In that time you will gain 20,000 SXP or 50 SP with a 0 SMG. If you had 9 SMG, you would gain 300,000 SXP or 750 SP. That is what SP farming does.

The point of the gap in effect is to actually reduce the number of XP that you gain, not to increase the amount of SP (though that is a nice but small benefit). Note that each time you die, you lose 2% of your experience but none of your SP. So, think of each death as a small increment in your SP gap and it won't make you feel as bad!

That was a much longer answer than I intended, and as I mentioned before, I will be writing a much more detailed article when I have the time that documents and explains what I've detailed above and how it relates to the values I've gotten.

Thanks again for all your contributions and keep them coming!

~Shummie

lvl 48 fighting mujigi

3lvl diff 3507 exp 349 sp
0lvl diff 5059 exp 269 sp

Gasp! A high level exp and sp data! Thank you so much! I'll update on Monday and hopefully if that data falls with what I have extrapolated I will have an entire table extrapolated! =)

Hi there shummie, all,

I have been noteing down my xp/sp values when i started sp-farming.
I'm now @L18 -6 and have put it all in an excell-sheet.
I will try to get it out and post it here, tomorrow.

About the first couple of levels, they are indeed different.

The party-members do change the amount you get, but not the ratio.
Also the mobs you choose, do not make a difference in the ratio, only the amount.
I can confirm the Champion == 2x and Giant == 15x, ratio doesn't change, as said above.
(Only more accurate numbers when it is a giant.)
So you can use any mob you like, to sp-farm.
The heavier mobs, you need less of them, but i think go look for a mob that you can get the most sp per time. Like for me bandits in the stronghold. I can do white tigers easy, but then i have to walk here and there.

OK enough for now, the data will follow soon.

BTW: I am a hybrid sword/blade with fire and added lightning on Aege
HyperionNL of Guild Titans

Sorry for the bad format, it keeps on getting displaced...
I give up
some have 2 measurements and below a few more.
good luck with it.

char.mast. Diff. xp sx xp/sx xp sx xp/sx
1 0 1 99 508 0,195
2 0 2 86 276 0,312 111 355 0,313
3 0 3 73 192 0,380 94 248 0,379
4 0 4 136 338 0,402 157 391 0,402
5 0 5 128 326 0,393
6 0 6 100 283 0,353 200 567 0,353
7 0 7 73 251 0,291
8 0 8 115 534 0,215 54 258 0,209
9 0 9 35 324 0,108
9 5 4 235 258 0,911
10 5 5 190 243 0,782
11 5 6 152 236 0,644
12 5 7 1237 2485 0,498
13 5 8 79 235 0,336 160 471 0,340
14 5 9 77 451 0,171
14 6 8 77 213 0,362 155 427 0,363
14 7 7 116 201 0,577
15 7 8 73 187 0,390 147 376 0,391
16 7 9 22 115 0,191 27 139 0,194
17 8 9 42 206 0,204 555 2641 0,210
17 9 8 492 1109 0,444
18 9 9 50 225 0,222
18 10 8 89 190 0,468 1156 2460 0,470
18 11 7 134 174 0,770 150 201 0,746
18 12 6 200 189 1,058


some extra data:
8 0 8 81 395 0,205
13 5 8 155 458 0,338
18 12 6 1244 1667 0,746 1898 2544 0,746

Wow, thanks for the data Major7. That helped to verify that my extrapolations are fairly close (+/- 10%) (if you call that close). I've updated the tables and will post again when I update with more info. =)

Erm, if anyone's having trouble reading his formatting, just quote his post and you should see it...

char Level 33
Highest Mastery 30

hunting solo
------------------------
Blood Ong 743exp/141sp (white to me)
Ong 802exp/152sp (orange to me)

char Level 34
Highest Mastery 30

4 member party
------------------------
Blood Death Flower 729exp/165sp

0 party mem.
LVL: 14
bow mastery:LVL 6
Ice River: LVL 5

Bandit Giant
EP: 1495
SP: 3455

AND ALOT OF HP POTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you kill it alone or with other people trying to ks? If there were Ksers the numbers r innacurate.

ALL by my lonesome on the back side of the fort with one white tiger and one bandit on my back tgf silk