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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:25 pm 
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Hey, i have read many guides and analyze the game for a time. But the worst is, i get bored of silkroad, when i have make a couple og builds.

My and 4 friends have made a little group with the four builds

NUKER -> 1
GLAIVE -> 2
BLADER -> 3
ARCHER -> 4

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NUKER,

it was the hardest to get clever on. But finally after a time i get a build i think there was the best and when i mean the best 300 mastery skills is needed. -TO ALL 4 BUILDS-

The build goes surely on 100% INT
The build goes on alot on SP FARMING
The imbue is fire

http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Bu ... ofile=8020
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That is the skill there is needed to that build.
If you want more sword og speat skills, so add it too. But remember you're a nuker not a fighter.
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BLADER,

try to make the best build too, it means 300 mastery points again.

The build goes on 100% STR
The build goes on alot of SP farming
The imbude is fire

http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Bu ... ofile=8003
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Skills you need. For this build.
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GLAIVE,

try to make the best build too, it means 300 mastery points again. The concept is the same, just with Heuksal. The both is STR builds and easy to make. Think this is perfect like the BLADER.

The build goes on 100% STR
The build goes on alot of SP farming
The imbude is fire

http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Bu ... ofile=8174
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Skills you need. For this build.
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ARCHER,

This is a more tricky build like the nuker, but i was so lucky i open my eyes for Jadekiss' build and that is surely the best ive ever seen.

The build goes on 70:70 magical and Physical balance (80:80) or higher with great GEAR.

The build goes on alot of SP farming
The build goes on fire imbue.

http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Bu ... ofile=7720^
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Skills you need for this genial build.

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All builds goes on 300 mastery points - Because i will use all that support i can for get the best build.

All builds includes fire imbue because, after a long research in silkroad, ive found out. The best defence is a good attack.

difference between ice and fire
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Ice i slow and small damageing.
at the same time you could kill another with fire.
When you come to and end fire is the best imbue. in both PVP and PvM

All these build is the best for PvP and can easyli crush mobs too.

and 300 masteries ---> SP farming alot in lvl 16.

remember too, the gear is importen to get even better with you character.
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Thanks to jadekiss for the archer build

Hope you guys can use it to something.

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Sorry to say, but uhh, this "guide" sucks.
FIrst of all, you're forgetting one of the strongest builds, the hybrid int build.
Second of all, a nuker without weapon skills, will never survive in PVP.
Sword nukers who can;t use knock downs are weak.

And then about the archer, never, never make an archer hybrid. They wont have anyh chances in pvp.

Just my thoughts :roll:

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i agree with everything except the ARCHER and the NUKER. 70:70 bow SUCKS. My first char was a bow. unwillingly it became a 75:70 archer (with gear on). It was pretty well skilled, but the damage I dealt did NOT compensate for the loss of HP. I abandoned the char at lv 38. Any glavie (or blade btw.) of my level could crush me in a few moves (me having SoS bow and they having NPC weapon).
BY NO MEANS should you build a hybrid bow.
Like _The_One said, you foregot the hybrid Int, which is also VERY powerful. Btw, nukers DIE without weapon skills. The time it takes to cast a nuke in PvP, your opponent can knock you down, stun you or knock you back (with Ghost spear). After casting a nuke or two, the nuker has to use weapon skills (or ghost walk away). spear nukers need stuns and S&S nukers use KD. watch this, and convince yourself that nukers Need to use weapon skills: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of8VXl5wunE


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It's a good move, but that aint reality. The auther just showed us all fights where the glaviers had no crits, exept the dude with the flying dragon. As you could see iin the end of the movie, he got a critical from 7700, and that meant, even with full HP, he is as good as dead.

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I cant find point of this guide. These same things have said here about million times :). And as the_one_ said there is no hybrid int build.. But maybe this guide helps beginners =)


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The_One_ wrote:
Sorry to say, but uhh, this "guide" sucks.
FIrst of all, you're forgetting one of the strongest builds, the hybrid int build.
Second of all, a nuker without weapon skills, will never survive in PVP.
Sword nukers who can;t use knock downs are weak.

And then about the archer, never, never make an archer hybrid. They wont have anyh chances in pvp.

Just my thoughts :roll:


thats wat i think too

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yeah and weapon skills are basically required in pvp even for a nuker....
you didnt mention pure strength archer...and arent all these things in Fly's stickied guide. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to make the guide though.

These aren't the "best" builds I wouldn't consider anything to be the "best" build otherwise everyone would always do it. Builds have their strengths and their weaknesses. :wink:

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tiglari51 wrote:
watch this, and convince yourself that nukers Need to use weapon skills: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of8VXl5wunE


Have in mind that the character in the movie has around 45 int / str and +3/+4 on her equipment. - But still she loses about half her HP when a glavier crits.


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I only posted the link to the video, to show that nukers need weapon skills in PvP. That was the only intention. The nuker was fully farmed, while the glavies were still farming. Gear was excellent, but the nuker would still die after: SSS-SSM-GSM. The video showed both the weakness and the power of pure int in PvP


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my mistake :roll:


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In my opinion the builds should look like this
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Nuker Sword+Sheild
http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Bu ... ofile=8952
added heusukal for HP ,nuker's need it
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Nuker Spear
http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Bu ... ofile=8953
4th mastey is ice because it has low phy def
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http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Bu ... ofile=8954
didnt put 4th mastery because everybody has his own opinion
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http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Bu ... ofile=8955
same as glavier for the 4th mastery
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http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Bu ... ofile=8956
chose 4th mastery ice because i can use more phy def because blader has sheild & glavier has more HP
Didnt put the INT & STR because dont realy know what is the best build for archer
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Naah well done mate. Alot of effort put into that, and yes, I have seen better "experiments" carried out like this, but this is up there for sure.

Good work mate.

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The_One_ wrote:
Sorry to say, but uhh, this "guide" sucks.
FIrst of all, you're forgetting one of the strongest builds, the hybrid int build.
Second of all, a nuker without weapon skills, will never survive in PVP.
Sword nukers who can;t use knock downs are weak.

And then about the archer, never, never make an archer hybrid. They wont have anyh chances in pvp.

Just my thoughts :roll:



Im 55 and normaly I loose only against the ones that use 60+4 or more weapons. Any nuker that dont use full 7 degree set (considering that 57 continue being 2 levels above me) are 1 shot kill, including the sword and shield if they dont block it, and I can resist their best nuke (but suffering). Bladers and glaivers have to find me if they want to hit me and meanwhile they will be receiving good damage.

The main thing that every archer have to know is that their best weapon is range, so if your enemy is close just phantomwalk away and hit. Best archer on my opinion is hybrid with cold as imbue (I can fight penons for hours without being touch except for champions and giants) and some lightning bonus (magical attack and speed, speed. speed, speed :P ).

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I would think that the nukers would 1-2 hit you... you must have some good gear. On the penons your probably killing slowly yet not being touched. Freeze em, shoot, shoot, shoot. If they get close phantom etc etc. Personally I would rather not have to waste time on penons and kill as many as I could.

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Bad guide if you ask me. Nice work, but you definetely have no idea how the builds work out when it comes down to it.

Int's without KD and Stab makes them absolutely useless.
Archers with only 2 weapon skills.. oh please...
A glaiver should have the other weapon skills instead of the combo's.
Bladers don't need cold. Full str + shield = enough. Get heuksal instead if you stand on getting 300/300.

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I would think that the nukers would 1-2 hit you... you must have some good gear. On the penons your probably killing slowly yet not being touched. Freeze em, shoot, shoot, shoot. If they get close phantom etc etc. Personally I would rather not have to waste time on penons and kill as many as I could.


Wrong, If I have 2 next each other they die on the same imbue using the 2th book and that is 6 sec (1st=antidevil+1 arrow, 2nd=4 arrow combo +2 arrows + some bit of my dog). The sonars have very good defence so I need antidevil+4 arrow combo + to stay firing the 6 sec if I dont crit on first one, but normaly I already click the next one to go directly to attack it as soon as dies the first one.

A good nuker can touch me once an take me between close to 4K (under or above depending on the nuke) and I have 5,5K HP so 2 second could kill me, but they never have the time to send the second :D . And about my gear I use protector with only my boots sos+2.

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only 1 vs 1 int builds need weapon skills
the best int build for WARS or large Job wars would be pure int with ice, fire, light and spear. cuz in a war and ur full int, you would not want to rush in and kd and stab, you will just get gangabanged and crit.

so all builds have weakness and their weakness depends on the situation.


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OK, i see many mistakes in these builds! So i will analyze every build and tell you the bad and the good things.

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NUKER,

Pure Int, OK.
Lots of SP faming, on 300/300 OF COURSE.
Fire, best.

Now the skills:
Bicheon - Not needed for a pure nuker!
Lightning - I like all the skills, is good.
Fire - Long analysis... where is fire-wall??? That's a great skill, use it in pvp and u can survive one or two hits more!

Yes, nukers fight from distance and are NOT CHARACTERS FOR 1 VS 1 COMBAT!!!

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BLADER,

Same as above, all good in the beginning.

Now skills:
Bicheon - Good, you don't need the 1st skill.
Ice - For 2 skills LOL. Better don't vaste the sp. YOu have enough physical defense with str.
Lightning - Good.
Fire - Good.

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GLAIVE,

OK all good... go on to the skills:

Heuksal - I don't know why you need the 1st or 2nd skill, but ok.
Ice - AGAIN, 69 lvls for 2 skills, don't vaste your sp. You have enough physical defense with str.
Lightning - Good.
Fire - Good.

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ARCHER,

BIGGGG LOOOOOOOL!!!! NEVER make an archer with int, you will have low hp, and deal too low dmg!!!

Archers have to go pure str, or they can't survive!

Now skills:
Pacheon - Hmmm, i never used a archer myself so i can't comment the skills very much.
Ice - IF, IF you make a hybrid archer then it is good to vaste 70 master sp for 2 skills, then you need more physical defense.
Lightning - Good.
Fire - OK.

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All in all, a OK guide, with many mistakes in the archer build, but the other builds could survive a battle or two.

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Im only going to comment on the skills you chose for the archer, because i am one, and not a blader/glaiver/nuker.

No arrow combo? No range increase? No strongbow? No autumn wind? No fire passive? No phys increase buff?

EVERY skill in the archery tree is useful if you know how to use them, bottom line.

With the 70:70 archer build (yes i have read that guide, and have mixed opinions about it), it can become crippled if it is someone's 1st character because you will need a lot of money in the higher levels to support the uber gear you WILL NEED to survive, and though it will be great in PvE, i think a lot of people will be dissapointed if they wish to PvP a lot (again, unless they find a ton of money along the way to get the best gear).

I dont like guides that are written when authors have no experience of the build in question. You really need to get the char to a high level (52 or 64+) before you can determine how effective it will be because people want to build characters for the long road AND the final result. Sure the road to get to the cap may be tolerable, but if the end result is getting killed by everyone else on the server, then how much fun can it be?

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Great_Master wrote:
NUKER,

Bicheon - Not needed for a pure nuker!

Yes, nukers fight from distance and are NOT CHARACTERS FOR 1 VS 1 COMBAT!!!



there is no such thing as a s/s nuker that can do well in pvp without bicheon

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blahhhhhO_o wrote:
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NUKER,

Bicheon - Not needed for a pure nuker!

Yes, nukers fight from distance and are NOT CHARACTERS FOR 1 VS 1 COMBAT!!!



there is no such thing as a s/s nuker that can do well in pvp without bicheon


Hmmmmm, i wrote that nukers are not characters for 1 vs 1, because they are usually pure nukers. I fought pvp without weapon skills with nukers, it pretty hard, if you don't have ice. With ice it is good possible, of course gets 100x harder when you come to higher lvl and people are resistant to ice. That is also one of the main reasons why to use firewall!

They can do great in pvp, but having 1 or 2 tankers.

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Great_Master wrote:
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NUKER,

Bicheon - Not needed for a pure nuker!

Yes, nukers fight from distance and are NOT CHARACTERS FOR 1 VS 1 COMBAT!!!



there is no such thing as a s/s nuker that can do well in pvp without bicheon


Hmmmmm, i wrote that nukers are not characters for 1 vs 1, because they are usually pure nukers. I fought pvp without weapon skills with nukers, it pretty hard, if you don't have ice. With ice it is good possible, of course gets 100x harder when you come to higher lvl and people are resistant to ice. That is also one of the main reasons why to use firewall!

They can do great in pvp, but having 1 or 2 tankers.


uh yeah, nukers CAN pvp 1vs1, and a s/s nuker with ice imbue instead of fire is a crappy build. u dont have to use fire wall if u have the RIGHT build and skills, and you will be stronger and more effective with fire inbue

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Great_Master wrote:

NUKER,

Bicheon - Not needed for a pure nuker!

Yes, nukers fight from distance and are NOT CHARACTERS FOR 1 VS 1 COMBAT!!!


LOL
nukers are very good at 1v1 PvP
they die easy but they can win too
havent u seen the video posted upper in this thread??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of8VXl5wunE
and nukers need bicheon skills at pvp otherwise they kinda suk at 1v1


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Sorry to say, but uhh, this "guide" sucks.
FIrst of all, you're forgetting one of the strongest builds, the hybrid int build.
Second of all, a nuker without weapon skills, will never survive in PVP.
Sword nukers who can;t use knock downs are weak.

And then about the archer, never, never make an archer hybrid. They wont have anyh chances in pvp.

Just my thoughts :roll:


What he said

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gj, but theres still much room for improvement. and btw excellent pvp vid...whoever posted it

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ok to who ever posted the nuker using bicheon skills in the pvp video are dumb all she did was kd stab kd stab kd stab wtf kind of video is that

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it is a very good PvP strategy
hit whit nuks while the oponent is at a distance and use weapon skills when he is near u
best pvp strategy in my opinion
i would say u are jealous because u are pure str and afraid of losing to someone that has about 1/4 of your HP :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


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ARCHER,

BIGGGG LOOOOOOOL!!!! NEVER make an archer with int, you will have low hp, and deal too low dmg!!!

Archers have to go pure str, or they can't survive!

Now skills:
Pacheon - Hmmm, i never used a archer myself so i can't comment the skills very much.
Ice - IF, IF you make a hybrid archer then it is good to vaste 70 master sp for 2 skills, then you need more physical defense.
Lightning - Good.
Fire - OK.

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All in all, a OK guide, with many mistakes in the archer build, but the other builds could survive a battle or two.



lol... what are archers made for?? to tank or to deal dammage?

they must be hybrid or int hybrid... str isnt bad, but you dont need all that HP if you can kill some1 before they touch you, and you can only do that with the highest attack, that is int


what bow have for making it hybrid its that dont have a bonus on magical or phisical attacks, so if you go Hybrid, you can use both magical and phisical good

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