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 Post subject: Pure INT Cold Bow Nuker ^_^;;
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This is probably the most "Out there" Build I've tried.

I've tried sword\shield, and ended up being dissatisfied.

I've tried glavie\spear, and ended up getting pissed that I couldn't range attack them, except with my Lion Shout V.V.

So Now, I'm going for the most unique non-cookie cutter build ya can get.

Pure Int.
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Cold ^_^;;.


I'll let y'all know how it goes.

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Seems to me like yhou are going to be wasting your time.

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And why is that.

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cause everyone else isnt doing it!!

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last night i started a new guy on venice for shits and giggles

and it was this exact build... it was very good actually

but i did only get to level 5... BUT IT WAS GOOD!!! lol

i say go for it...

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Hehe, I went back onto my old account, to see if it really is worth dumping.. And then I asked my bower mate if he had cold as a second imbue, and he said ya.

So I fought with him, and It was the most annoying battle ever.

I used up all my pills really quickly, and whenever I could get close to knock him down, he would get up, freeze me, and then do a couple tricks, and I'd be dead. V.V

Yep, this build is worth having.

I'll take lightning as Sub though, I'll need it for grasswalk and nukes.

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This is kinda close to mine so i guess ill ask here if its any good. I have a pure int fire bowman. Should i change it? Its good right now but its only lvl 18. I originaly ment it to be spear but started off with bow as it was easier and recomended in one of the guids so i havent put and points into mastering it.


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i have the same build, more or less on babel. She's only lvl 20, but it's fuunn.....

Build your char properly and be ksing king!! Or queen.

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I'm a
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Pure ice&thunder NUKER LOl..

& guess what I'm VERY HAPPY!


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Im triyng to make a build like that too! maybe to make a suport char! i belive that will be a very good build! im working on combos from bow mastery and ice! i have a lot of M atack and the freeze is allways up! its nice wen you see everything blue arround you heheh!
some people say that freeze cuts down others skill. in PVP i think it is a very good debuf since with pills the only way you can stop the enemy is with a block skill. if you think make a suport char i think it will be perfect! what do you think?
ive post a question like that in other post but no one anser me...


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I think that this is a worthless build. As all of the other people say sword/shield and spear both have a lot more magical attack than the bow. Besides, bow is supposed to be mainly STR anyways. So, I think you should just stop now before you dissapoint yourself. The bell is about to ring, so i'm out! :D :D

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well... if you say so... im doing some farmig and i think ill have some time to think about that anyway. i have a friend with same buid i have, just have pure str. hes dmg is almost like my dmg! But im not doing the build because of the dmg! its for a suport char! more m. atack more ice! bow for distance, heal and ress... it was what i was thinking to do, but i dont know if there is chance for me in high level... i belive there is ^_^


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I think that your build is not very usefull... Where do you need nukes and bow? Both make ranged attacks. And Nukes make more dmg than bow, so why take bow? Bow is better with str build, and fire/light nukes are better than ice nukes. I would say that your build just wont work ;).


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Let me give my opinion on this build. I am a pure int nuker(fire/light) but i've been using a bow since i dont have nukes yet. So i guess i'm a pure int bow and Im lvl 27 right now.

Let me tell you, a bow with simply +2 or 3 will rock your world. Since you are all INT, your imbues are really strong but physical attacks practically do no damage. Even though my bow mastery is only at lvl 7, i kill monsters at an amazing rate. Also having lion shout helps a lot too. I simply finish mobs off with lion shout when they get close to me. I dont know how good pure int bow/nukers are though.

I use fire imbue so dmg is higher but as far as PvP, i'd probably go with ice. Once your opponent gets close to you, it's over. You have to deal all your dmgs beforehand or else your dead.

I'm surprised at how strong pure int bow users are, at least lower lvls anyway. I dont know how well they do in the higher lvls.


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Let me give my opinion on this build. I am a pure int nuker(fire/light) but i've been using a bow since i dont have nukes yet. So i guess i'm a pure int bow and Im lvl 27 right now.

Let me tell you, a bow with simply +2 or 3 will rock your world. Since you are all INT, your imbues are really strong but physical attacks practically do no damage. Even though my bow mastery is only at lvl 7, i kill monsters at an amazing rate. Also having lion shout helps a lot too. I simply finish mobs off with lion shout when they get close to me. I dont know how good pure int bow/nukers are though.

I use fire imbue so dmg is higher but as far as PvP, i'd probably go with ice. Once your opponent gets close to you, it's over. You have to deal all your dmgs beforehand or else your dead.

I'm surprised at how strong pure int bow users are, at least lower lvls anyway. I dont know how well they do in the higher lvls.


..once nukes come into play....drop your bow and pick up either a sword or spear...or else ur losing out...big time

if u'd like to lvl up a nuker build very fast....do what this guy did...bow with fire imbure will lvl u fast...u can even invest in some bow skills....but after 30...change weapons


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Why should I change weapons? There are many worthwhile skills out there, and Maybe I don't want to use up MP like a psycho with nukes EVERY DAMN TIME i want to kill something?

Have any of you actually TRIED IT?

Why is everyone so damn afraid to break the mould? All bloody drones, doing the same thing, afraid to do anything anyone says not to do.

There are many skills in the bow lifeline that may be more useful than nukes, especially combined with freezing.

I honestly don't care about you people saying "Oh well, With autopill, he'll win" Autopill barely makes a difference. Eventually, you will exaust those pills, and with the reaction time, Those precious miliseconds will allow me to get a cold nuke in, followed up by a fire nuke, and some arrows to finish them off.

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S1cKn3s5 wrote:
This is kinda close to mine so i guess ill ask here if its any good. I have a pure int fire bowman. Should i change it? Its good right now but its only lvl 18. I originaly ment it to be spear but started off with bow as it was easier and recomended in one of the guids so i havent put and points into mastering it.

I would switch to Spear and get Lightning as a sub. Cookie cutter builds are the strongest builds, even if they are unoriginal.


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So, who realy actually build one to a high lvl ?
Or just all trash talk? hehehe

mine is 4x and it seem fine to me...
can kill lvl 50-55 mobs easily :P

Just can't stand one hit from them HAHAHA. Cause I will die :P


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Ok, i been following this thread for a time now but I haven’t ever posted yet since I first like to see what people think and how scared are to the changes. My build is a Heavely int bow user.. and by heavy I mean HEAVY ... it is lvl 52 now so I think i can talk with a bit of experience.

First of all I have to say this is a build that requires A LOT of farming. What I found to be the best combination is Ice main and Light Sub.

I wont reveal all my build... at least not for now... maybe when I get to 60 and proven that all what i thought from the beginning was right and the standard builds are not the only powerful builds. I just have to say a couple of facts;

- Since I can remember i can 2 shot any white mob and 3 or 4 any orange one. (This means they usually don’t come even close to me)

- Bow skills are very useful as an int char, I barely use my nucks since I use less mana with bow and imbune and i make the same dam and faster

And some tips:
- Attack Rating
- Range

PVP is almost always won by the higher lvl... so the best pve char has allways the adv over a slow lvler and this is a GREAT build to lvl. At lvl 52 i can do up to 40 % of my lvl with 4 lvl dif between mastery and actual lvl in the 3 hours of the x2 xp.

If this post is too messy im sorry... but i have to much to say about this build an very little time... I will do a more detailed post about this build soon, so keep posted :D .


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TheRaven wrote:
- Since I can remember i can 2 shot any white mob and 3 or 4 any orange one. (This means they usually don’t come even close to me).


its not that great, my noob nuker pure int sword fire light (lvl 23) can 2-3 hit whites and 3-4 orange.

you would probably want to try a pure str fire build for most damage and maximize the damge done by the often criticals of anit dev bow. with fire you can 1-2 hit whites and 2-3 hit mobs cause you can get that many hits in without them being slowed.

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heres something:

WHY DO PEOPLE CHOOSE BOW

you guys have been saying that sword\shield and spear do more dmg.

have you ever thought of the attack rating factor?

as a fire light nuker, i find that the BIGGEST problem is when my nuke does damage near the bottom of it's range.. it causes me have to 2 or 3 hit my green mobs instead of 1 hit.

this is a fact: Bow users have way higher attack rating than any other build.
The pacheon passives raises attack rating, as does the birdie, making them consistently hit at the top of their range, so their attacks match up to at least a sword nuker.

next reason is the distance factor:

you all talk about nukers be ranged too. do you realize that the nuke distance is total crap compared to how far away a bow user can be, especially with the move that allow them to shoot further away.

just to sway the argument. Pure INT bow is a beautiful PvE build. PvP can be good as long as you do it right.

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Antione wrote:
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- Since I can remember i can 2 shot any white mob and 3 or 4 any orange one. (This means they usually don’t come even close to me).


its not that great, my noob nuker pure int sword fire light (lvl 23) can 2-3 hit whites and 3-4 orange.

you would probably want to try a pure str fire build for most damage and maximize the damge done by the often criticals of anit dev bow. with fire you can 1-2 hit whites and 2-3 hit mobs cause you can get that many hits in without them being slowed.


I wont argue with people that think that the only good builds are the "cookie cutter" ones. I tryed... and i just waste my time, truth to be told when u manage to make a build that is very good and people dont know about it you wont go screaming what you found. I can only tell the ones that are low lvls and thinking of going pure int or hybrid int, go for it... if it what you want... you will be ok at high lvls... BUT!! : IT WILL REQUIRE TO FARM ALOT... IF YOU WANT TO BE GOOD AT PVP... I make a lvl every 2 days playing only the 3 hours of my 2x xp and im 52 with 4 lvl diff, at least till tonight when i get another 50% :wink: .


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RaiKiRii wrote:
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WHY DO PEOPLE CHOOSE BOW

you guys have been saying that sword\shield and spear do more dmg.

have you ever thought of the attack rating factor?

as a fire light nuker, i find that the BIGGEST problem is when my nuke does damage near the bottom of it's range.. it causes me have to 2 or 3 hit my green mobs instead of 1 hit.

this is a fact: Bow users have way higher attack rating than any other build.
The pacheon passives raises attack rating, as does the birdie, making them consistently hit at the top of their range, so their attacks match up to at least a sword nuker.

next reason is the distance factor:

you all talk about nukers be ranged too. do you realize that the nuke distance is total crap compared to how far away a bow user can be, especially with the move that allow them to shoot further away.

just to sway the argument. Pure INT bow is a beautiful PvE build. PvP can be good as long as you do it right.


wow my best friend raikiri..how r u..
int bow doing as much dmg as sword nuker?
let's start from the base dmg of the weapon...sword has higher mag dmg...which is what a int user is looking for...
then u got imbue...which will be equal......ok so far sword is up by a little....then it's fire nuke vs strong bow(strongest bow skill)....this is the dmg range for lvl 30 fire nuke and keep in mind the % in brackets are tied to ur magical balance 123-205 (250%) this is ur dmg range for strong bow at lvl 31 and the % in weapon skills rely on physical balance 70-95 (350%) as u can see...the nuke's lowest dmg possible is still higher than strong bow's highest dmg possible so that nullyfies ur attack rating theory....lol...and don't worry about the strong bow's % being higher either...cuz if it is a int bowmen...that 350% will tie to his physical balance...so it will not give a good boost...so as u can see from the facts...int bow fire(or any other force) will never do more dmg than a int sword nuke...there really is NO arguement here...raikirri has a problem with trying to get noobs to build the wrong way..because it seems raikirri's build is messed up and weak...so he want's ur build to be weak also....so he can have a chance in silkroad

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^ realize that before you say that my build is more likely exactly the same as yours is. does full int fire light nuker ring a bell for you? unless you're saying you build sucks too. which i would believe considering how you type like you have down syndrome. "durrrrrrrrrrrrr"


im not talking about PvP or ANYTHing. the build is fine. its not the BEST build out there obviously. he asked the question, i answered it so please, stfu .

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This thread causes too much contriversy, as soon as someone rocks the boat, everyone is knocked for Six and confused and attempting to re-coup what they have lost.

The fact is, there are more builds than the mainstream ones. And just because they're different, doesnt mean that they suck.

I'll go in to technical standpoints later. As right now, we're just throwing numbers at each other.

And that is not what I intended by creating this thread. However, short and pointless contributions (I will not name names) Has not helped this discussion any further, so If your going to continue this thread, can anyone who wishes to flame my decision as a build, please re-consider, and throw your flames elsewhere.

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//:Protocol wrote:
This thread causes too much contriversy, as soon as someone rocks the boat, everyone is knocked for Six and confused and attempting to re-coup what they have lost.

The fact is, there are more builds than the mainstream ones. And just because they're different, doesnt mean that they suck.

I'll go in to technical standpoints later. As right now, we're just throwing numbers at each other.

And that is not what I intended by creating this thread. However, short and pointless contributions (I will not name names) Has not helped this discussion any further, so If your going to continue this thread, can anyone who wishes to flame my decision as a build, please re-consider, and throw your flames elsewhere.


Why make the original post if you are only going to look down upon, and complain on others' thoughts. You didnt make this post so no one would look at it, you made it so people would let in on what they think about it... that is all they are doing

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My god.. Why people get so nervous wen talking about swords and bows?! for me there is only a diference: the whay that you guys most like to play! both bow and sword have theyr goods! yeah ok! sword does more dmg and bow does less damage but is a RANGE damage! like RaiKiRii said the atack rating is one of the bigest things too, and with distance and the wright skills you can do anything! FAR AWAY from the enemy ^_^ its basic i think sry... every game that have bows works like that =P its only a question of if you r a good player or not...


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My god.. Why people get so nervous wen talking about swords and bows?! for me there is only a diference: the whay that you guys most like to play! both bow and sword have theyr goods! yeah ok! sword does more dmg and bow does less damage but is a RANGE damage! like RaiKiRii said the atack rating is one of the bigest things too, and with distance and the wright skills you can do anything! FAR AWAY from the enemy ^_^ its basic i think sry... every game that have bows works like that =P its only a question of if you r a good player or not...


I totally agree dude ^

They both have their individual pros and cons:
Pure Int bow/cold/light nuker

Pros:
Lots of ranged damage.
Able to freeze/slow down enemy with bow so you can nuke extra. (so you don't have to stick with 1 or 2 hit kill grinding.
Lots of Mp.
Decent defense buffs from cold and magic buffs from light.

Cons:
Crap for physical damage.
No melee damage watsoever.
Very little hp.
Weak PVP due to autopill.
Weapon has low magic damage.
Low imbue damage.

Pure Int SwordShield/fire/light nuker (i have cold just for buffs and maybe nuke and frost storm to play with).

Pros:
Very good magic damage.
Very good ranged damage.
Lvls very fast.
Lots of Mp.
Strong imbue damage.
Second highest damage dealing build.
Shield blocks a large amount of hits, which helps due to the low hp factor.

Cons:
Low Hp.
Low physical damage. (It hits alot with physical skills if you have imbue.)
Dead if the enemy gets a few hits on you. (not PVE, I'm talking PVP.)


Pure Int Spear/Fire/Light nuker

Pros:
Very good magic damage.
Very good ranged damage.
Lvls very fast.
Lots of Mp.
Strong imbue damage.
Highest damaging build in the game.

Cons:
Low Hp.
Low physical damage. (It hits alot with physical skills if you have imbue.)
Dead if the enemy gets 3 hits on you. (PVP)
Doesn't have shield to help block a few attacks.



These 3 builds all have their Pros, and Cons. Some more than others. They all have their separate strengths. Again, some more than others. I think the pure int cold/light/bow would be good with force also. I would max out the bow skills and the cold skills, get lvl 20-30 lightning, and then focus on force, so your kind of like a cleric in other games, able to use Res, Ally heal, Harmony circles in dangerous areas, etc.

With my personal experiences cause me to favor the Pure int Sword Nuker. Granted the spear may lvl the first 20-30 lvls faster, but in the end its the Sword wielders with their shields that rule the games at higher lvls.

Thats my 2 cents, well maybe like 3 or 4 cents but who cares.

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ill pretty much say wat i did in another post

pure int vs pure int in pvp same lvl no matter wat weapon is 1nuke+1shout kill so whoever hits first will win it

pure int vs pure str blader onli sword shield as weapon can tank them going spear or bow the blader will outdmg ure pots

pure int vs pure str glaiver onli the spear has a chance cause u gotta outdmg there pots b4 they 1hit crit u

so in my experience i dont see where the pure int bow shines
and in pvm spear 1nuke white mobs and sword shield 1nuke+1shout white mobs and im higher than 52 and im gaining more than 40% per 3hours 2x exp


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