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ASNZern
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:35 am |
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Well, think about this.
There are 3 of 'em.
Pure Str
Pure Int
Hybrid
Right? k. I think it's possible for Hybrid to kill Pure Int cuz Pure Int has less HP. Eventhough Pure Int deals more damage, but it doesn't matter if Hybrid kills the Pure Int before the Pure Int can do anything!
Also, Hybrid also has a chance to kill Pure Str too. Because Hybrid can deal more damage and Hybrid is quite tough, comparing to Pure Int, so Hybrid stands longer.
So, conclusion : It doesn't matter much what build you are, but your strategy, your plan, your guts and stuff that count. As we can see that all 3 builds can kill each other.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:43 pm |
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It's really up to you. you wanna have fun now and have no fun later on, or have not so much fun now and have lots of fun later. Short-term pain, long-term gain, or short-term gain, long-term pain, even though technically there's no pain involved here... Think long-term! Besides, I'm not telling people how to play the game. I'm just suggesting strongly how to play the game.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:56 pm |
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Lets see here...
Str=least skill needed, click a few buttons and they are dead right?
Int=more skill needed, but still really just hit 1,2,3,4,5 and boom 100000 damage
Hybrid=more skill needed, but really if you think about it, hybrids can screw over both int and str if they do their moves right, they can out spam the str and can out tank the int (cold wave arrest!) it all depends on if you are good or not, the point of getting hybrid is to be original and try to find the 1337 build that no one knows about and own everyone ^^
On a whole, stick with pure str ice bow or pure str ice blade 
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phrostbyte
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:13 pm |
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No, stick with whatever you like to play with. There are no build better then another. I stick with pure int because I like to PvE, some stay with pure str because they like to PvP. Builds can't be discussed.
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:19 am |
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OMG!!! ARE YOU GUYS NOT GETTING IT? HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A HYBRID SHOOTING ARROWS??? YES! BUT THAT'S THE STUPIDEST THING A PERSON CAN EVER DO!!! THEY CAN'T HIT MUCH, AND ARCHERS ARE NATURALLY WEAK, SO IF THEY'RE HYBRID, THEIR SERIOUSLY DEAD! SO CONCLUSION; PURE INTS KILL HYBRIDS EVEN WHEN THEIR ARCHERS, EVEN THOUGH THEY DO LESS DAMAGE THAN SPEAR! THEY HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF RANGE, AND PROBABLY COULD HIT ALMOST AS MUCH AS STRENGTH, AND THEY CAN FROST, MAKING THE HYBRIDS SCREWED BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE LOTS OF DEFENCE, HP, AND THEY DON'T HIT MUCH! DUE THE LACK OF DEFENCE, THEY'RE HIT LOTS, AND DUE THE LACK OF HP, THEY'RE DEAD! Of course, if a hybrid is of a much higher lvl, that's a different story, but ints kill so fast they usually have the upper hand. Since hybrids lack the defence of strength, and strength has lots of defence, they both hit each other about the same, yet strength has more HP! Of course, skills matter, but if you want to use hybrid and you're good at planning which skills you wanna use, then don't you think you could do better with a pure? An expert person at planning the use of skills with a hybrid against another player at the same lvl, who do you think will win? Btw, strength bow kinda isn't what you want... you're supposed to kill the enemy before he reaches you or you're screwed. You don't hit so much with strength, but you can last longer. You'd probably hit more with strength glavie and you're probably better off so. Also, sry for my long messages. Their always crammed together. Sry if it's giving you a headache!
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:42 am |
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strike_freedom wrote: OMG!!! ARE YOU GUYS NOT GETTING IT? HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A HYBRID SHOOTING ARROWS??? YES! BUT THAT'S THE STUPIDEST THING A PERSON CAN EVER DO!!! THEY CAN'T HIT MUCH, AND ARCHERS ARE NATURALLY WEAK, SO IF THEY'RE HYBRID, THEIR SERIOUSLY DEAD! SO CONCLUSION; PURE INTS KILL HYBRIDS EVEN WHEN THEIR ARCHERS, EVEN THOUGH THEY DO LESS DAMAGE THAN SPEAR! THEY HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF RANGE, AND PROBABLY COULD HIT ALMOST AS MUCH AS STRENGTH, AND THEY CAN FROST, MAKING THE HYBRIDS SCREWED BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE LOTS OF DEFENCE, HP, AND THEY DON'T HIT MUCH! DUE THE LACK OF DEFENCE, THEY'RE HIT LOTS, AND DUE THE LACK OF HP, THEY'RE DEAD! Of course, if a hybrid is of a much higher lvl, that's a different story, but ints kill so fast they usually have the upper hand. Since hybrids lack the defence of strength, and strength has lots of defence, they both hit each other about the same, yet strength has more HP! Of course, skills matter, but if you want to use hybrid and you're good at planning which skills you wanna use, then don't you think you could do better with a pure? An expert person at planning the use of skills with a hybrid against another player at the same lvl, who do you think will win? Btw, strength bow kinda isn't what you want... you're supposed to kill the enemy before he reaches you or you're screwed. You don't hit so much with strength, but you can last longer. You'd probably hit more with strength glavie and you're probably better off so. Also, sry for my long messages. Their always crammed together. Sry if it's giving you a headache!
Why do I get the feeling you're 12..? (Not that liking Super Freedom helps the image remotely..).
Lets try this just to shut you up.
I can pure str, but I put all my skill points in magic attacks.. doesn't that just make me completely and utterly useless? But I'm apure so no hybrid can touch me YAY!
Hint hint : Balances can be found where they'll suit a players style, if they're good and the style works in terms of the game they can beat pure builds.
Please try to understand that raw power doesn't mean you always win, you have to take into account the armour types. A hybrid can make use of both sets to use the weaker defence value, where as a pure will struggle with armour or a robe depending on type.
Sorry if you can't grasp this concept but games are more than rock paper scissors since pretty much the pac man era and not everything is black and white no matter how many times you press the caps lock down.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:50 pm |
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Up to you what you want to believe. And I never said raw power meant you'd always win. Go check all my posts here if you don't believe. I've only suggested using pures since their better. Raw power DOESN'T mean you'll win, but it does affect how you fight. It helps, because even if you're the smartest person in the world and you know how to fight, you're still a sitting duck if you don't have strength. It's a combination of both that makes someone really succesful in this game. If you're so good at using skills, you can do better WITH power, instead of relying only on skills and not have power.
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Post subject: About INT Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:17 pm |
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Well guys, int isnt bad the unique problem is the hp. My first char was a pure int lightning coz the dam of lightning is the best for pure ints. I reached lvl 30 and started havin some problems to kill monsters so i started killing low lvl boss to lvl fast then i reached 40 and felt i was strong enough to almost anything so i started walking through the map and i was killin som monsters suddenly lag :/ it was about 2 sec lag but enough 4 me to die, this just happen at weekends coz my net is 2 mbits well so i just say this:
Pure int must have good internet conection speed and potions, lots coz ull kill fast but u can be killed even faster! If im wrong guys just type there
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dbmeneghel
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Post subject: srry Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:18 pm |
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at aegis its drowfreak_ not with the ^^ at side xD
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Stallowned
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:48 pm |
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^^Made no sense at all (both of your messages)
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Demarthl
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:54 pm |
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strike_freedom wrote: Up to you what you want to believe. And I never said raw power meant you'd always win. Go check all my posts here if you don't believe. I've only suggested using pures since their better. Raw power DOESN'T mean you'll win, but it does affect how you fight. It helps, because even if you're the smartest person in the world and you know how to fight, you're still a sitting duck if you don't have strength. It's a combination of both that makes someone really succesful in this game. If you're so good at using skills, you can do better WITH power, instead of relying only on skills and not have power.
you've put in your point, several times, you dont need to do it again, thats forcing it onto others, as soon as your doing that you should shut the hell up, capiché?
not in my right to say but i think this subject has drawn to a close, no one can possibly say anything new and relative anymore
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dbmeneghel
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Post subject: int againnn Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:59 pm |
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WEll I'M back and guys pure str is the best if u pretend to reach high lvls witouth too much probl in lvls 30 to 60, the damm wont will be that great sh** but the pure int will DIE TOO FAST, as i said have a nice conection speed and many pots or die with ur int, but however INT RULEZ IAUHIAUHAUIA bb gonna tke shower xD
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Hitsugaya Toushiro
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:57 am |
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Gavin wrote: People who go for pure builds are stupid in my opinion.
LOL look at this dumb cunt talk!
In my view full INT does do more damage but if u face one pure INT dude, just wear a bloody set of garment man. Problem solved, the damage will be greatly reduced because note that compared to armors, garment differenciate most in magical def, not physical def.
And dont say which build suck Gavin. Even seen a shithead?  look in the mirror.
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woutR
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:07 pm |
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GelGooG wrote: strike_freedom wrote: OMG!!! ARE YOU GUYS NOT GETTING IT? HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A HYBRID SHOOTING ARROWS??? YES! BUT THAT'S THE STUPIDEST THING A PERSON CAN EVER DO!!! THEY CAN'T HIT MUCH, AND ARCHERS ARE NATURALLY WEAK, SO IF THEY'RE HYBRID, THEIR SERIOUSLY DEAD! SO CONCLUSION; PURE INTS KILL HYBRIDS EVEN WHEN THEIR ARCHERS, EVEN THOUGH THEY DO LESS DAMAGE THAN SPEAR! THEY HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF RANGE, AND PROBABLY COULD HIT ALMOST AS MUCH AS STRENGTH, AND THEY CAN FROST, MAKING THE HYBRIDS SCREWED BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE LOTS OF DEFENCE, HP, AND THEY DON'T HIT MUCH! DUE THE LACK OF DEFENCE, THEY'RE HIT LOTS, AND DUE THE LACK OF HP, THEY'RE DEAD! Of course, if a hybrid is of a much higher lvl, that's a different story, but ints kill so fast they usually have the upper hand. Since hybrids lack the defence of strength, and strength has lots of defence, they both hit each other about the same, yet strength has more HP! Of course, skills matter, but if you want to use hybrid and you're good at planning which skills you wanna use, then don't you think you could do better with a pure? An expert person at planning the use of skills with a hybrid against another player at the same lvl, who do you think will win? Btw, strength bow kinda isn't what you want... you're supposed to kill the enemy before he reaches you or you're screwed. You don't hit so much with strength, but you can last longer. You'd probably hit more with strength glavie and you're probably better off so. Also, sry for my long messages. Their always crammed together. Sry if it's giving you a headache! Why do I get the feeling you're 12..? (Not that liking Super Freedom helps the image remotely..). Lets try this just to shut you up. I can pure str, but I put all my skill points in magic attacks.. doesn't that just make me completely and utterly useless? But I'm apure so no hybrid can touch me YAY! Hint hint : Balances can be found where they'll suit a players style, if they're good and the style works in terms of the game they can beat pure builds. Please try to understand that raw power doesn't mean you always win, you have to take into account the armour types. A hybrid can make use of both sets to use the weaker defence value, where as a pure will struggle with armour or a robe depending on type. Sorry if you can't grasp this concept but games are more than rock paper scissors since pretty much the pac man era and not everything is black and white no matter how many times you press the caps lock down.
Why do I get the feeling you have just turned 16 and finally grown up and can smile/laugh to the ' kiddies ' ?
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strike_freedom
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:49 pm |
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i don't force my point in! i'm showing my point! and i keep "repeating" what i said, because if you guys don't get it, i need to try to make it easier for you guys to understand!
Overall, pure owns, and protecter and garment usually sucks when fighting monsters but protecter's good when fighting PvP. For protecter, it's not just a balance, it's more than balance. It's physical defence is only slightly lower than armour, but magical defence is a lot higher than armour.
Unfortunately, this CANNOT be compared in an analogy with character skills because overall, other than that automatic 1 point for each skill when you lvl up, YOU ONLY HAVE 3 OTHER CHARACTER POINTS!!! THEY'RE LIMITED! PROTECTER HAS ONLY SLIGHTLY LESS PHYSICAL DEFENCE THAN ARMOUR BUT LOTS MORE MAGICAL DEFENCE, WHEREAS THERE'S ONLY A LIMITED AMOUNT OF CHARACTER POINTS!!! ARMOUR IS NOT RESTRICTED TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF POINTS! IT CAN HAVE ANY PHYSICAL, AND ANY MAGICAL DEFENCE! IT'S RANDOM!
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:53 pm |
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shut the fck up already
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Post subject: Best weapon Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:54 pm |
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IS there really a best weapon? I like bow, is that a good one?
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:08 pm |
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i don't think there is a 'best' weapon, and that question is probably gonna
start another debate...... but the game seems pretty balanced as far as
weapons go, compared to others i've seen.
for my first char i chose blade, since in most games i like to go for the
speedy kill(ninja,assassin,thief types) with high dodge rates. but then i found
out that dodge isn't really implemented....... anyways, i had my skills all
screwed, so i just started over.
now i have a str/fire/glaive thing going, and it seems to be working pretty
well.
but there's good and bad points to be said about all of them. personally, i
think that the glaive attacks painfully slow, but oh well. the damage is enough
to make up for that i guess.
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:43 pm |
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im gonna be a hybrid...i think they rock in most MMOs...
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Post subject: safe to be hybrid just dont try to be 1:1 Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:02 am |
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it's ok to be a hybrid 1:2 and 2:1.
Anyway, no guild war / trade lvl 5 battles are fought alone. stay focus and consistent.
One advise though , which is a huge mistake i did...trying to make a 1:1 char....it's time consuming and waste of money (need pots all the time and good gear) and also need alot skill points to make up for dmg
I call this the emperor's build lol. Very costly.
Is like trying to balance 1:1 50/50 with items stats to consider as well.
Add 3 points to int at one stage then 2:1 at another, next lvl back to 1:2 then get some + items to balance it again...
it just get really messed up in the end.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:25 am |
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ok i dont really understand but i think i will once i get on the game
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:57 am |
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yeah yeah yeah just because you don't know and don't like people to disagree with you doesn't mean you can go around and be a hell of a freaking fat idiot telling me to shut the fck up and all. Pures eventually own the game when their developed. Hybrids really don't do well in PvP, and btw dodge will probably nvr be implemented. Check the passive skill of lightning. It says "Increases your dodge ratio by a certain amount". And the effect says "Parry ratio # increase". # is just whatever number cos it depends on what lvl. Parry ratio is the probability of your opponent hitting his minimum damage more often. But i'm not sure about this cos i just read it off a site.
And guild wars? I've been in one. It's something like you declare war on another guild, and when you kill an enemy, you just gain points, but prob is that people just keep hiding in town so you can't attack them. Winner gets 10k gp. That's the way it was last time and i don't know if it's going to be any different next time, or when it's a higher lvl guild war, you might get more gp for the winning guild. Losers don't lose anything. Lol and when you kill someone, it said weird stuff like for example if the killer is Whatever and the dead guy is Nobody then they'll say "Whatever destroyed Nobody's stuff/items". Something like that.
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:45 am |
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umm, i'm pretty sure that he had every right to tell you to shut up.... you ARE trying to force your opinion on others. just because you think that your pure whatever is the best whatever, who cares? different people have different preferences, and what you want to do decides your build. for some things, pure is NOT the best, so just leave it at that.......
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:34 am |
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i agree with Geobot...you should just let ppl make their own desisions.... and your just spoiling the post with your anoing blabing about how good pure STR/INT's are...you could have just posted one comment and just help the guy/girl ...not start to spaming about how good pures are....
so anyway...i think it all depends on you ...if you want to make a pure you should still add some STR/INT (depending on what pure you chose)to your char once in a while because it helps you to save when you are pure STR (on mp pots...because skills are really useful...even when you are pure...some rase your attac by 250% and more)....and you have more hp when you are pure INT....and choose your wepon right...for INT : sword or a spear and for STR : blade or a glaive....i have no comment on bows
i personaly like 2 for STR and 1 for INT...so im more of STR built, but if you like INT more and you want to make a ballanced char but 2 for INT and 1 for STR..and maybe you should learn fire skills to lvl 10 ..even if you choose another skill because there is a passive skill that gives you 108 hp (something like that)...
so at first the ballanced built might be more useful...but you can change it when you are a bigger lvl..(ofcorse you wount have as high as hp or mp if you would have been a pure from the start)..like you gat to a good lvl...something about lvl 20-25 or so...then you should have 1000 mp if you are balanced and then you can just only add points to STR...to get a STR built char...then you should have inuff mp to use different skills and not have to use many mp pots...the same is with INT built chars..you can add points to INT later and make a INT built char...
so that my oppinion anyway...i havent been playing for a long time so maybe my ideas arent the best...but you should just read some more tutorils or guides to learn about that stuff...(one thing that i did was that i read what diferent skill do ...that helps do deside what you want to learn..anyway for me it did)...or just try out different chars...  ...
one more hint...use logical thinking ( it really helps to build a goos char)...figure out how the damage system works and stuff like that...then youll know what do to whith different skills and wepons.... 
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:23 pm |
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pure IS the best when you're a higher lvl. and you're saying i should let them have their own preference, is that right?
Well let's see... when does a teacher EVER tell a student that whatever answer he thinks is right is right???
Well when you're at a really high lvl, you WILL have enough MP or HP to use. You won't have as much, but you'll still have enough. Fine if you want to add a little of the other skill into your character. But if you add too much, it becomes crap.
Least numbless's idea's better than your complete hybrid idea. If you have both skills at approx the same, then that's really completely hopeless. 2:1 is makes you strong now, but you're weak later in the game.
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:17 pm |
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dude, what part of shut the hell up dont you understand?
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:50 pm |
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besides, on a post yesterday, you said you were a level 26 merchant? is that your highest char? and if so, what makes you qualified to say what is good at HIGH levels?
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:03 am |
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hybrid....... half int half strt...balance...it rocks!
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:11 am |
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ahem... i have a brother you know
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