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Barotix
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Post subject: Whats your take on evolution/creation (read my rules 1st) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:32 pm |
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so pull out your bible
or koran
or torah
or biology textbook
or encyclopedia
or use google....
or get all those books about evolution you bought off amazon
cause were about 2 have an interesting discussion
b4 we start this discussion lets lay down some rules!
1]no flames
2]dont twist your words 2 pressure people
3]dont make fun of any adversaries you may find on these forums
4]dont make claims, then get angry when some1 comes with evidence that those claims are false
5]and last but not least (refer 2 number 1 NO BLOODY FLAMES)
6] there will be no use of the word pro or anti in this thread, in connection with the term evolution or creation
bob says: im pro-creation
bill says: well im pro evolution
and jim says: well, bill, your anti-creation? and you bob your anti-evolution?
^you see that just twist words and makes certain things sound better than they actually are.
imo evolution is real because a theory in science is fact
evolution is indeed real correct?
but there are still those that believe evolution and powerful dieties cannot coexist.
whos 2 say that a pwerful diety didnt manipulate nature to create us.
well most dont believe evolution, because according 2 them its only been proven on a micro lvl (memory check), that being said.
whats your take on evolution?
heres an interesting video, made by some1 against evolutions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvyQRdlKiwI
and heres a vid for evolution:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RojR-50_5Y
and from here on pls make a distinction between a theory in science and the average joe's "theory"
if this thread goes well i'll see if it will be possible 2 make an abortion thread
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:36 pm |
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evolution is something you can see all around you with your own eyes....creationism is based purely on faith....i'll go with evolution....
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:11 pm |
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Creationism?
Infalibility of the bible = joke.
I'll post when I get home.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:13 pm |
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I'll write something big here. Too late for it now. It will be based on pure rationality and observation. You shall see.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:24 pm |
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has to be evolution for me...given how we can see the change around us fossils and carbon dating show that organisms change and adapt around us to suit their environment. I mean take a look at us (homosapians) and our earliest ancestor (homoerectus) and you can trace the evoultionair links across the 3-4 million year gap that we have been on this planet.
but keep in mind that that dinosaurs had around 145million years (give or take) and even bacteria have been around for 800 million years...so as a species we humans are relatively the new kids on the block and have only been around a short while compared to more evolutionary successful species.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:26 pm |
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Science+Facts>Belief
Evolution.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:59 pm |
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creation ftw.
i don't even want to believe my species evolved from monkeys, on the other it hand it could explain rednecks, chavs, racists and supremacists as they don't seem to have evolved yet
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:40 pm |
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creationsim of course...
evolution...for the dumbass athiests, gays, or people from san francisco, and of course the people who needs facts and everything shoved into there faces. 'If you dont believe in a god or a heaven or hell whats the point of living if you know when u ur worthless and u only have one life to live.
"the people who needs facts and everything shoved into there faces" of course all fit into this category.
grap3s04wr said
i don't even want to believe my species evolved from monkeys, on the other it hand it could explain rednecks, chavs, racists and supremacists as they don't seem to have evolved yet
whats wrong with racism?
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:44 pm |
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Who says evolution couldn't be part of Creationism? I mean What God would make something unable to adapt to an ever changing world? But... I mean a Big Explosion from nothing somehow spawned living creatures that somehow have JUST the right about of enzymes and Chemicals to keep them from exploding on themselves or with just the right amount of enzyme... I'm going with Creationism... people here don't seem to appreciate religion so no point in bringing it up amirite? and as for the scientific methods... we don't know if or how accurate carbon dating is, i believe its only slightly accurate @ 50,000 Years... and Crimson what "facts" do we really have? did we ever get to study creatures while they're living? I mean it would be "Fact" if the fossils/bones/rock had 20,000BC etched on them... Evolution+Big bang= lol.
thats my opinion i am A Christian so i believe in creationism not only because its part of my "religious beliefs" but because it makes sense. i also believe that God, Being God could have made/sculpted us into what we are now through "Evolution" If he so chose. He's God and evolution is going to happen, change IS happening
Lets not turn this into a "wikipedia says" thread.
Feel free to point out typos or let me know if somthing doesnt make sense... I was somwhat distracted being at work and all 
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:45 pm |
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@redneck wow... if thats how you feel...belive what you want but theres no need to go about insulting people who disagree with your views now.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:47 pm |
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satman83 wrote: wow... if thats how you feel...belive what you want but theres no need to go about insulting people who disagree with your views now.
Thanks, I didn't think I'd be able to say it nicely so I didn't
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XemnasXD wrote: also im not going to stop calling him a cosmic douche, anyone that knows everything about everything, then creates you knowing full you won't end up following the rules he's made up for you, then punishes you for all eternity for it....come on...thats just being a d*ck.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:48 pm |
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redneck wrote: creationsim of course...
evolution...for the dumbass athiests, gays, or people from san francisco, and of course the people who needs facts and everything shoved into there faces. 'If you dont believe in a god or a heaven or hell whats the point of living if you know when u ur worthless and u only have one life to live.
"the people who needs facts and everything shoved into there faces" of course all fit into this category.
grap3s04wr said
i don't even want to believe my species evolved from monkeys, on the other it hand it could explain rednecks, chavs, racists and supremacists as they don't seem to have evolved yet
whats wrong with racism?
im not atheist yet, but it is possible to believe in god AND evolution.
its not hard its quite easy.
remember evolution nvr disproved Gods existance.
darwin may have been semi - atheist, but he nvr said God aint real.
he was just trying 2 explain the unexplainable.
you can believe in heaven hell God, and evolution all at the same time.
also being racist is bad
racist are narrow minded pricks
[DONT TURN THIS INTO A RACISM THREAD]
people who believe religion and science cant coexist are just as narrow minded as racist
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:49 pm |
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redneck wrote: creationsim of course...
evolution...for the dumbass athiests, gays, or people from san francisco, and of course the people who needs facts and everything shoved into there faces. 'If you dont believe in a god or a heaven or hell whats the point of living if you know when u ur worthless and u only have one life to live.
"the people who needs facts and everything shoved into there faces" of course all fit into this category.
grap3s04wr said
i don't even want to believe my species evolved from monkeys, on the other it hand it could explain rednecks, chavs, racists and supremacists as they don't seem to have evolved yet
whats wrong with racism?
i lol'd
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:51 pm |
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Barotix wrote: remember evolution nvr disproved Gods existance. darwin may have been semi - atheist, but he nvr said God aint real.
being agnostic solves that simple problem <3
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XemnasXD wrote: also im not going to stop calling him a cosmic douche, anyone that knows everything about everything, then creates you knowing full you won't end up following the rules he's made up for you, then punishes you for all eternity for it....come on...thats just being a d*ck.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:51 pm |
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satman83 wrote: wow... if thats how you feel...belive what you want but theres no need to go about insulting people who disagree with your views now. I am sorry if it came across like that  , belive what you want thats just MY view... post yours :[ Don't let that turn into a flame fest >_< Quote: Infalibility of the bible = joke.
it's your view, i look foward to readin more from ya dom
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:54 pm |
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[Not turning into racist thread]
racism and stero-types are there for a reason....
im ending it ther
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:57 pm |
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[SD]Xyzzzy wrote: Barotix wrote: remember evolution nvr disproved Gods existance. darwin may have been semi - atheist, but he nvr said God aint real.
being agnostic solves that simple problem <3
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:00 pm |
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crazyskwrls wrote: evolution ftw!! in my opion god dont exist
Well, I used to take that view, but recently I realized that there is no way to disprove his existance
I find it funny that the people who deny there being a god say its for scientific reasons
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XemnasXD wrote: also im not going to stop calling him a cosmic douche, anyone that knows everything about everything, then creates you knowing full you won't end up following the rules he's made up for you, then punishes you for all eternity for it....come on...thats just being a d*ck.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:08 pm |
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Foilin wrote: Who says evolution couldn't be part of Creationism? I mean What God would make something unable to adapt to an ever changing world? But... I mean a Big Explosion from nothing somehow spawned living creatures that somehow have JUST the right about of enzymes and Chemicals to keep them from exploding on themselves or with just the right amount of enzyme... I'm going with Creationism... people here don't seem to appreciate religion so no point in bringing it up amirite? and as for the scientific methods... we don't know if or how accurate carbon dating is, i believe its only slightly accurate @ 50,000 Years... and Crimson what "facts" do we really have? did we ever get to study creatures while they're living? I mean it would be "Fact" if the fossils/bones/rock had 20,000BC etched on them... Evolution+Big bang= lol. thats my opinion i am A Christian so i believe in creationism not only because its part of my "religious beliefs" but because it makes sense. i also believe that God, Being God could have made/sculpted us into what we are now through "Evolution" If he so chose. He's God and evolution is going to happen, change IS happening Lets not turn this into a "wikipedia says" thread. Feel free to point out typos or let me know if somthing doesnt make sense... I was somwhat distracted being at work and all 
lol first off i meant what i said for redneck....its changed now and not meant for you...what you said was well within your rights. Also the big bang happend around 15 billion years ago (15,000 million years) and as stars are still moving apart from each other it means that the affects are still happening...also keep in mind that our solar system is about 4 billion (4000 million years old) meaning the big bang effect happened over time not right away of with lets say 7 days... Also carbon dating is now quite accurate and is the standard means to find out how old something is as all life and substances on this planet are carbon based.
Also the evolution topic and big band are TWO different topics and dont really relate to one another unless you bring in creatisum into the disccusion but keeping a the topic in hand....evoultion explain then primitive humans found....or creatures dating back 100 of millions of years.
Or if you wanna talk about religion...what about religions older then Christianity....like Hinduism (5000 + years old) have there own belief on how the world was made...so did the romans, Egyptions and Greeks....so what makes the Christian's version the right one then? thats why i personally believe in evolution....because there is only one main theory on evolution but several on creationism on a global scale.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:11 pm |
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satman83 wrote: Or if you wanna talk about religion...what about religions older then Christianity....like Hinduism (5000 + years old) have there own belief on how the world was made...so did the romans, Egyptions and Greeks....so what makes the Christian's version the right one then? thats why i personally believe in evolution....because there is only one main theory on evolution but several on creationism on a global scale.[/color]
Wow so well put  you forever satman
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XemnasXD wrote: also im not going to stop calling him a cosmic douche, anyone that knows everything about everything, then creates you knowing full you won't end up following the rules he's made up for you, then punishes you for all eternity for it....come on...thats just being a d*ck.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:14 pm |
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satman83 wrote: Foilin wrote: Who says evolution couldn't be part of Creationism? I mean What God would make something unable to adapt to an ever changing world? But... I mean a Big Explosion from nothing somehow spawned living creatures that somehow have JUST the right about of enzymes and Chemicals to keep them from exploding on themselves or with just the right amount of enzyme... I'm going with Creationism... people here don't seem to appreciate religion so no point in bringing it up amirite? and as for the scientific methods... we don't know if or how accurate carbon dating is, i believe its only slightly accurate @ 50,000 Years... and Crimson what "facts" do we really have? did we ever get to study creatures while they're living? I mean it would be "Fact" if the fossils/bones/rock had 20,000BC etched on them... Evolution+Big bang= lol. thats my opinion i am A Christian so i believe in creationism not only because its part of my "religious beliefs" but because it makes sense. i also believe that God, Being God could have made/sculpted us into what we are now through "Evolution" If he so chose. He's God and evolution is going to happen, change IS happening Lets not turn this into a "wikipedia says" thread. Feel free to point out typos or let me know if somthing doesnt make sense... I was somwhat distracted being at work and all  lol first off i meant what i said for redneck....its changed now and not meant for you...what you said was well within your rights. Also the big bang happend around 15 billion years ago (15,000 million years) and as stars are still moving apart from each other it means that the affects are still happening...also keep in mind that our solar system is about 4 billion (4000 million years old) meaning the big bang effect happened over time not right away of with lets say 7 days... Also carbon dating is now quite accurate and is the standard means to find out how old something is as all life and substances on this planet are carbon based.
Also the evolution topic and big band are TWO different topics and dont really relate to one another unless you bring in creatisum into the disccusion but keeping a the topic in hand....evoultion explain then primitive humans found....or creatures dating back 100 of millions of years.
Or if you wanna talk about religion...what about religions older then Christianity....like Hinduism (5000 + years old) have there own belief on how the world was made...so did the romans, Egyptions and Greeks....so what makes the Christian's version the right one then? thats why i personally believe in evolution....because there is only one main theory on evolution but several on creationism on a global scale.
why do you always write in oddly layed out green paragraphs?
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grap3s04wr wrote: why do you always write in oddly layed out green paragraphs?
not sure, I like it like that
and the paragraph really makes me happy
I try to separate my ideas with carriage returns so it doesn't look jumbled
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XemnasXD wrote: also im not going to stop calling him a cosmic douche, anyone that knows everything about everything, then creates you knowing full you won't end up following the rules he's made up for you, then punishes you for all eternity for it....come on...thats just being a d*ck.
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crazyskwrls wrote: ^ very true i dont want to quote it becuase its huge
and that kid who made that pro creationism video should realy get a life instead of reading the bible all day
hes a fundamentalist christian. (they believe the universe is 6000 years old, and that the bible is word for word fact)
he has ALOT of vids against evolution/science in general
he also rates his vids 5 then makes it so no1 can rate his vids.
so its 4ever 5
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Barotix wrote: crazyskwrls wrote: ^ very true i dont want to quote it becuase its huge
and that kid who made that pro creationism video should realy get a life instead of reading the bible all day hes a fundamentalist christian. (they believe the universe is 6000 years old, and that the bible is word for word fact) he has ALOT of vids against evolution/science in general he also rates his vids 5 then makes it so no1 can rate his vids. so its 4ever 5
lmao you know your insecure when.....
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[SD]Xyzzzy wrote: satman83 wrote: Or if you wanna talk about religion...what about religions older then Christianity....like Hinduism (5000 + years old) have there own belief on how the world was made...so did the romans, Egyptions and Greeks....so what makes the Christian's version the right one then? thats why i personally believe in evolution....because there is only one main theory on evolution but several on creationism on a global scale.[/color] Wow so well put  you forever satman
there are many older religeons... the one i choose to belive is Christianity because i think its right. and there are somethings that have been found that support the bible. like the chariots at the bottom of the red sea, and the "great flood" I believe the oldest standing tree on earth is 6k years old... now if this flood hadn't happened why isn't there an older one? just as there are things to show in evolution, like bird's beaks changing size from generation to generation so that they can eat and survive...
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Foilin wrote: [SD]Xyzzzy wrote: satman83 wrote: Or if you wanna talk about religion...what about religions older then Christianity....like Hinduism (5000 + years old) have there own belief on how the world was made...so did the romans, Egyptions and Greeks....so what makes the Christian's version the right one then? thats why i personally believe in evolution....because there is only one main theory on evolution but several on creationism on a global scale.[/color] Wow so well put  you forever satman there are many older religeons... the one i choose to belive is Christianity because i think its right. and there are somethings that have been found that support the bible. like the chariots at the bottom of the red sea, and the "great flood" I believe the oldest standing tree on earth is 6k years old... now if this flood hadn't happened why isn't there an older one? just as there are things to show in evolution, like bird's beaks changing size from generation to generation so that they can eat and survive...
there has to be a scientific report somewhere I can retort with
*searches intently*
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:28 pm |
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that pro creation kid was talking about people acting like animals who didn't believe in god well
75% of the United States population believe in the Jehova God
10% of the United States population are atheist
75% of people in United States prisons believe in the Jehova God
.02% of people in United States prisons are atheist
federal bureau of prisons census 1997
i believe this is because atheist know they only have one life and dont want to spend it in jail while religious people believe it doesn't matter since god will forgive them anyway
in a study at the University of Minnesota over 2000 people were asked what minority most "lacked their visions of american society"
more than blacks, gays, immigrants, lesbians, or even muslims...atheist are viewed as the least american
First ammendment of the United States Constitution
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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