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in the pro-creat vid the kid locked the rating so no one else would rate it and all posts in this vid are marked as spam/flame, while the vid with pro-evo, it still have a 4 star after hundreds of ratings and dont see any posts being marked, that is another reason to support religion is -------can not stand up to close scrutiny

its somewhere in North America or Europe, i saw a documentary about evolution on the discovery channel when i was 11 that was talking about that tree.

also the great flood is documented in sumerian lore (gilgamesh i love that myth) , long b4 judaism or christianity come into existance.

umm.. maybe the treees got burried and was turned into petro?
there are lots of evidence that the great flood happened, but does it mean anything? how can you tell if it was this kid called god who did this?

why couldnt it have been global warming that caused sea lv to rise and created lots of rain? there are more evidence to prove evo than crea

yeah we read that ina religion class, though... there are different things that dont match up and things like that. and the time is close to the same... circa 2700 BC so they are probably the same flood though... how gilgamesh matches up is beyond me lol

Well there isn't much hard evidence for evolution i mean have we witnessed an amoeba turn into a frog? no one has seen God either... its a faith thing. and as for the trees... there should still be more then just one tree standing over6k years old? anyways... this thread will go on forever... I would rather belive in God rather then believing i came from nothing for no reason... and evolution is pure believing too...

St. thomas aquinas (spell check) did a pretty good job almost proving God exist.
then another guy partially proved God isnt needed. (i need 2 google this 1)

also we can see micro evolution (new strains of 1 celled organism)
but macro (ameoba turning 2 frog)... thats different

but evolution is reletively proven, imo.

then again the problem with a concept like God is that it cant be disproven nor proven.
you find yourself in a Loop, and its all up 2 faith

lol@poor attempt at a troll.

You need to make it less obvious. Otherwise, people will catch on and won't care; except for the slow ones, which aren't worth trolling.


ON TOPIC: I'm too lazy to type a long post now, I just got home from classes. However, i've been boiling my argument all day; and, creationism is flawed because of one important reason...

If creationism is true, it would mean there's a creator. Since God doesn't exist, it cannot be true. Deductive reasoning.

TIP FOR BEGINNERS @ ARGUMENTATION: If the word is too big for you to spell properly, you look like a dumbass and shouldn't use those words.

I think it's stupid to believe in something just because you can't prove it wrong. I'm talking about god here, though it can go for evolution too I guess.

By the way, to prevent people from saying it, I'm not athiest. I'm agnostic. My life is very very good, and I don't think it could be this good without help. Of course, that's kind of demeaning to myself, because it's saying that I'm not good enough to make my own life good.

Also, at the 6000 year old tree, umm... maybe it's the oldest tree because all the older trees died before?
And how do you think they found out the age of the tree? Through magic?
Of course, it's not carbon dating, but it's a scientific method.

Some guy said that proof would be having an etching saying "20,000 BC". Yeah, ok, that is very very stupid. Who says someone couldn't have just etched that in at a later time? How would it get there in the first place? Would someone scratch it on as soon as the animal died? Yeah, how would they get through its skin? Or would they cut through it?
Also, how would the animal know that jesus would be born 20,000 years after it died... Because god told him? Ok.

I kind of sound like I'm putting down god, and I might be alittle, but I'm not trying to.

Some people say "you can't prove evolution" as their main attack. Their main defence is also "You can't prove god isn't real". Ok, that's very redundant and goes back to what I said before, it's stupid to believe in something just because you can't prove it's wrong.

As you may have guessed, I'm an evolution chap. Some people are like "You can't prove evolution" (I said that before, I know). Well, you kind of can... If you devoted your whole life to observing a microspecies such as bacteria, you'd see pretty significant changes in your 80~ years.

Eventually scientists might genetically engineer a rat, which is just a normal rat but ages really really fast, and so you can see evolution in progress.
Genetic engineering is also going to help ALOT sometime soon... If religious people don't ban it.

I might sound like an ass, but really, type in "genetic research usatoday" in google, and maybe something will come up... But it says that scientists will be able to make a species that will eat toxic waste and stuff, and will be able to evolve on the spot.
Pretty badass if you ask me.

Anyways, further proof of evolution (this is a good one) is people in the last 150 years. We have changed SOOOOO much.
From using bow and arrows and riding on horses to nuclear weapons and jets.
You might be like "that's not evolution". Well, it kind of is... Kind of.
We're changing, right? Well, that's evolution for ya.

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Who says god isn't real? (Don't take that literally, loads of people do, but you know what I mean).

I sound like a dick since I just said you shouldn't say this, but you really can't prove god isn't real.
That's not why I believe in a god though.

Btw, I don't believe in "God". I believe in a god.
There's a difference.

people like redneck are epic lawls

i'm an agnostic. people are right when they say God can not be disproven. however, christianity took elements from many older religions, that's fact. it is also fact that the bible has been translated many many times.

it's for teh above reason that i can not believe in Christianity, but that doesn't mean i can't believe in a "supreme being" either.

evolution has been proven through fossils. our perceived history about our past may be wrong (actually, most likely wrong), the universe is definitely not 6,000 yrs old. fossils are undeniable facts.

i know there have been the occasional fake fossil finds, planted by noobs to ..... shit up, but they're the .001% retards.

They already have. If I remember right, it was around 7 years ago.

We can clone humans, we can genetically engineer safely, we can easily improve our lives through science. Because of the baby boom, the older scientifically conservative persons are in majority. Until they die and our generation takes over, that kind of scientific advancement will not become main stream.

On the "can't disprove God". You cannot disprove God, but you can disprove the validity of the Catholic Religion; or even, Christian denominations.

They HAVE done it? Dammmmnnnnnn that's badass.

Hmmm yessssss I see your baby boomer point, very true.

But... Just to straighten things out: Genetic engineering and cloning is already possible, but I was speaking about genetically engineering a creature from scratch.

God style LOL.



Yeah, true story.

I'm not christian though. I don't follow any sort of temple/church/synagogue or whatever.
I don't even like pray or anything... but I ask for stuff because I'm greedy.

But I think the god person works on a karma system. If you have a good life and do good things, god'll do ya favors.
Yup.

God doesn't exist. The i don't see how ppl think some giant man is up in the sky controlling your entire life. Thats a cop-out religion is a cop-out. It allows ppl to justify or unjustify whatever they want. Its a grow mans fairy-tale if you fall into this trap you end up like folin who after being slammed with evidence that contradicts his god and his bible, still believes it. Or you can end up like Redneck....a racist douche who thinks that mindless hatred is a part of Gods wonderful plan.



Here some more things to derail your great god theory. All of these questions of course are based on the FACT (if your Christian) that God is ALL knowing and ALL powerful meaning there is nothing he cannot know and there is nothing he cannot do.

Why would god create Lucifier knowing he would rebel and cause the creation of sin?

Why would God create ppl knowing some would "choose" to be gay and then punish them for something he already knew they were going to do.

Why would god call the Jews his Chosen ppl then send his son to set up a whole different dogma of religion.

Why did god create Eve knowing she would eat from the tree and introduce suffering to the world.

*waits for retarded arguments stating that God does it because he gives you the choice. Because, you know, having the choice is SO MUCH BETTER than spending eternity in hell.*

*counters the argument ahead of time by stating that God is all knowing and so will know every choice we have and will ever make yet he still allows us to exist to make that choice then punishes us for it*

hey now, not fun to poke fun of christianity.

Also, why did he send his son down to die for people's sins? That makes no sense WHAT SO EVER. How did his dying save people's souls?
Why did jesus LET one of his apostles betray him?

Also, if somehow you're able to explain all of the above. Then why didn't god just kill evil or something? That'd be what a Hindu god would do.

Plus, what happens to the people who were born before jesus was born? Or what if "the word of god" has not been told to them? Do they go to hell because they weren't born in the right place at the right time?

@Xemnas

If you were saying that god doesn't exist to me, or whatever, you shouldn't have... I mean, like... You can put down people's beliefs, but you shouldn't put down a general idea... Y'know what I mean?

Like... I dunno, I think there's a goddess (omg I'm like a devil worshipper (Is what the christians are thinking)).
Why is it a goddess? Because it is... there are reasons, but people are gonna think I'm weird if I say them.

I dunno, I think I"m kind of just talking now.

*counters with Hurricane Katrina was God's failed attempt at whiping out the gay district in New Orleans, and despite the fact that all the quarters around it were destroyed and it was left unharmed God still hates gays; and Global Warming is one of the modern plagues that God has sent to make us repent (yeah, I came up with the global warming one myself! watch for it next week on those church shows)

Everything is Everything....in the end all will return to what once was and the cycle of the dream world we call existence will begin again

If you believe in creationism, you believe in the infalibility of the Bible. If you are one of those people, you believe gays will be condemned in hell for eternity and that they do not deserve equal rights.

He has the right to be offended and put down any of those beliefs.

I'm a Christian. Don't really have any specific denomination or w/e. Lets say i believe what is in the bible. so I'm a creationist obviously.

However, I believe in micro-evolution, meaning that i believe that small changes can be made to a species. however, i don't believe that man evolved from monkeys or an amoeba or whatever.

It cannot be proved that man evolved from monkeys, nor can it be proved that man was created. I chose to believe i was created.

But what can be proven is that the bible is an unreliable source full of old sumarian tales and myths.

chillax guys -_-
also dont think of God from a "human" point of view.

think of God as an it or so to speak the universe itself.
meh.

anyhoo back on topic pls
Evolution (although a religion thread and the God fixation would be much better, i will make 1 after this 1)

I never said I believed in creationism.
And the whole world isn't christian you know. Other religions believe a god made the world (or several gods) and they don't believe all that shit.

You should really read what I said... But it's hard to explain my one idea.

You shouldn't put down something without an arguement.

Like you're just saying "god doesn't exist". Ok... proof?
Like, I don't believe in the bible, or any other religion, because their stories make no sense to me, and there are plot holes and loop holes and all this crap.

My beliefs are based on my own experiences, which is imo the best thing.
Why believe something someone else says, when you can just make up your own stuff? I think my sense of the world is pretty good.
My god thing is probably wrong, but does it hurt to believe in a god?

I mean, like for christians, it's like if you don't believe in god you're damned, if you don't believe in the right god you're damned too.
So, it makes sense to believe in god if you're fearful of damnation.

In other religions, it's like... gods will give you good luck if you dedicate alittle time to them every once in a while. Of course, other religions are like, you always have to be thinking of god.

But in scientific theory, there's nothing wrong with doing anything. That's totally cool, but you're going against your beliefs I guess. You should let people believe what they want.

And if you're thinking "well should I let the racists believe what they do, and the anti-gays and stuff?"
Listen to what I said "You should let people believe what they want". That applies to everyone, not just you. If everyone let people do what they wanted... well, to a certain extent of course, then life would be pretty good.

What's so wrong in believing there's alittle divine spark in your life? I'd say it's a good thing, because (well, at least for me) you obviously believe you have a pretty damn good life if you think a normal human could not achieve it on their own. A normal human being one without divine spark.

I dunno, maybe I"m just a badass?

If you are a Christian you believe in the bible and the bible clearly states that man was modeled in the image of God and then continues to personify God by giving him traits such as love and anger and the need to rest.

Dammmmnnnnnnnn. Some of you people are gooood at thinking up stuff.

That also means god must have gay thoughts because some people are gay.

Or are gays not people anymore?

Nice try, but argumentational fallacies are not taken seriously.

I'm too stupid to know what that means.

If it means I was being sarcastic, no I was being serious.

If it means I was being nice so that you are no longer "mean" or whatever to me, no, yet again I'm being serious.

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skep ... ments.html


n mi nglish suxxxxx Pretty sure argumentational isn't a word. I was directly translating from french.

On a more serious note: Are you refering to the Epic of Gilgamesh(idk, I think i saw it mentioned in this thread somewhere)? Examples please?
Funny that this should come up the week I'm studying it.

It might be a while before i respond again as i have things to do.