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Stormprobe
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:50 pm |
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[SD]Master_Wong wrote: its interesting but also wrong
this is messing with the natural order of evolution, if we tamper and become suited to this life style and essentially the man made next level of evolution we may inherrit may risks, risks that may doom man kind, asexual humans is not right.
who ever watches stargate sg1?
the Asgard altered there evolutionary chain with cloning in the end destroyed them selfs i know this is fiction but that part could possible be an effect if we carry on with the course of altered the natural order
lol theres a race called ASS-Guard lol what is stargate?
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:53 pm |
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Stormprobe wrote: [SD]Master_Wong wrote: its interesting but also wrong
this is messing with the natural order of evolution, if we tamper and become suited to this life style and essentially the man made next level of evolution we may inherrit may risks, risks that may doom man kind, asexual humans is not right.
who ever watches stargate sg1?
the Asgard altered there evolutionary chain with cloning in the end destroyed them selfs i know this is fiction but that part could possible be an effect if we carry on with the course of altered the natural order lol theres a race called ASS-Guard lol what is stargate?
Asgard (Stargate)
read some of the stuff there may be fictional but is relevent
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:16 pm |
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[SD]Master_Wong wrote: its interesting but also wrong
this is messing with the natural order of evolution, if we tamper and become suited to this life style and essentially the man made next level of evolution we may inherrit may risks, risks that may doom man kind, asexual humans is not right.
who ever watches stargate sg1?
the Asgard altered there evolutionary chain with cloning in the end destroyed them selfs i know this is fiction but that part could possible be an effect if we carry on with the course of altered the natural order
Seen every episode of stargate
i dont understand why they even want men to be able to be pregnant  women are made so they can be pregnant, men arn't. is there a need for change?
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:24 pm |
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this is so fake
this is so retarded
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:44 pm |
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Luoma wrote: [SD]Master_Wong wrote: its interesting but also wrong
this is messing with the natural order of evolution, if we tamper and become suited to this life style and essentially the man made next level of evolution we may inherrit may risks, risks that may doom man kind, asexual humans is not right.
who ever watches stargate sg1?
the Asgard altered there evolutionary chain with cloning in the end destroyed them selfs i know this is fiction but that part could possible be an effect if we carry on with the course of altered the natural order Seen every episode of stargate  i dont understand why they even want men to be able to be pregnant  women are made so they can be pregnant, men arn't. is there a need for change?
this is how i look at it.
Woman: Made to carry babies and continue the next generation of human's
Male: Empregnent wman to make next generation of human's ,And protect family.
lol =p
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:45 pm |
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Stormprobe wrote: Wow wow wait. i just remembered something. Don't they alredy make babies from test tubes in some labs? Or is that just a urban myth?
test tube babies
clones
human animal hybrids AKA chimeras
all real
not myths
all benefit society.
pregnant men NO.
2 many people on this planet. WAY 2 MANY.
also scientist are currently rethinking wether or not homosexuality may be genetic [yes the are going back... science will nvr leave shit alone]
i fear that science will be our destruction, and our savior.
in a world were people are genetically engineered with everything "perfect"
such as blue or hazel eyes
blond hair
black "asian" hair
no abnormalities.
in a future were every1 is engineered 2 be the same...
with the same basic gene code...
were clones and chimeras walk around...
were people no longer need 2 have sex 2 concieve...
all it takes is 1 virus or malevolant bateria.. 2 kill us all.
man shouldnt tamper with the forces of nature...
natures destructive power... is beyond our control.....
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:53 pm |
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Barotix wrote: Stormprobe wrote: Wow wow wait. i just remembered something. Don't they alredy make babies from test tubes in some labs? Or is that just a urban myth? test tube babies clones human animal hybrids AKA chimeras all real not myths all benefit society. pregnant men NO. 2 many people on this planet. WAY 2 MANY. also scientist are currently rethinking wether or not homosexuality may be genetic [yes the are going back... science will nvr leave shit alone] i fear that science will be our destruction, and our savior. in a world were people are genetically engineered with everything "perfect" such as blue or hazel eyes blond hair black "asian" hair no abnormalities. in a future were every1 is engineered 2 be the same... with the same basic gene code... were clones and chimeras walk around... were people no longer need 2 have sex 2 concieve... all it takes is 1 virus or malevolant bateria.. 2 kill us all. man shouldnt tamper with the forces of nature... natures destructive power... is beyond our control.....
Yes i have heard stories that science will one day destroy life by starting to clone people. What you just said. I think science has gone to far. yes it has solved alot of thing's but risking too change Man evolution for a stupid project. I say not worth it.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:56 pm |
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Stormprobe wrote: Luoma wrote: [SD]Master_Wong wrote: its interesting but also wrong
this is messing with the natural order of evolution, if we tamper and become suited to this life style and essentially the man made next level of evolution we may inherrit may risks, risks that may doom man kind, asexual humans is not right.
who ever watches stargate sg1?
the Asgard altered there evolutionary chain with cloning in the end destroyed them selfs i know this is fiction but that part could possible be an effect if we carry on with the course of altered the natural order Seen every episode of stargate  i dont understand why they even want men to be able to be pregnant  women are made so they can be pregnant, men arn't. is there a need for change? this is how i look at it. Woman: Made to carry babies and continue the next generation of human's Male: Empregnent wman to make next generation of human's ,And protect family. lol =p
in the 2000's most ppl would consider that male role chauvinistic
Anyway i think by now we all realize that this isn't real but im going to act like it is for arguments sake.
Moving on Draquish brought up a good point that if this was possible it would alter the way eveolution works but tbh our evolution could use a kick start because it appears we've become stagnant.
Inno brought up a good point when he said you still need a woman for the egg which i never thought of. But still i can argue that its only a matter of time before we're able to produce fake eggs as well. But then again we still haven't gotten the recipe for breast milk right, formula ftl....
Ito brought up yet another good point about the hormones that the womans body produces. Though this im sure could all be injected over the course of the pregnancy that would only add to the unnaturalness of the whole ordeal. Some guy would basically be used as an incubator while is body his hooked up to all manner of machines to replicate the female pregnancy, it wouldn't be a pretty sight. As for the baby coming out wrong though thats a chance you have to take with normal pregnancy anyway. Something like like 1/100 kids are born with autism.
Someone else mentioned that after witnessing a birth and a C-section they were thinking of adopting, i lol'd cause my sister feels the same way. But i think when you get past all the ucky stuff in retrospect it turns out to be a beautiful ordeal. but still i won't look at babies as soon as they're born i have to wait a couple days for the ugly to go away >>
@Reise when i was saying "you" i didn't mean you individually i think you brought up points that were on everyones mind so i was addressing everyone who would read the post srry bout the confusion
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:07 pm |
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Quote: Inno brought up a good point when he said you still need a woman for the egg which i never thought of. But still i can argue that its only a matter of time before we're able to produce fake eggs as well. But then again we still haven't gotten the recipe for breast milk right, formula ftl....
Creating a fake egg is even worse than this, that is taking this to a whole new level, thats creating life from nothing. Which (even if you arnt religious) is being god. And thats a sure fire way to completley screw up evolution forever.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:09 pm |
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Innovacious wrote: Quote: Inno brought up a good point when he said you still need a woman for the egg which i never thought of. But still i can argue that its only a matter of time before we're able to produce fake eggs as well. But then again we still haven't gotten the recipe for breast milk right, formula ftl.... Creating a fake egg is even worse than this, that is taking this to a whole new level, thats creating life from nothing. Which (even if you arnt religious) is being god. And thats a sure fire way to completley screw up evolution forever.
Im not religious so making life from nothing isn't playing god to me at all. Everything had to come from something and the general consensus of the scientific community is that it came from an explosion which came from nothing so therefore ALL life came from nothing and god had nothing to do with it....
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:12 pm |
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XemnasXD wrote: Innovacious wrote: Quote: Inno brought up a good point when he said you still need a woman for the egg which i never thought of. But still i can argue that its only a matter of time before we're able to produce fake eggs as well. But then again we still haven't gotten the recipe for breast milk right, formula ftl.... Creating a fake egg is even worse than this, that is taking this to a whole new level, thats creating life from nothing. Which (even if you arnt religious) is being god. And thats a sure fire way to completley screw up evolution forever. Im not religious so making life from nothing isn't playing god to me at all. Everything had to come from something and the general consensus of the scientific community is that it came from an explosion which came from nothing so therefore ALL life came from nothing and god had nothing to do with it....
lol
Playing god aint right. Making a sheep dog would be awesome but so wrong o.o
Btw congrats this topic reached 100 post lol
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:23 pm |
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I think that website is like that one that said China blew up the moon.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:16 pm |
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Foilin wrote: But if this were real and not a Hoax i would hope that child dies in the process  How could you wish a baby to die If it was the father then I would understand but the baby didn't have a choice in it? You're very twisted you know that? Stormprobe wrote: Yes i have heard stories that science will one day destroy life by starting to clone people. What you just said. I think science has gone to far. yes it has solved alot of thing's but risking too change Man evolution for a stupid project. I say not worth it.
Heard they where trying to clone a mammoth
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:57 pm |
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Xyzzzy wrote: I don't feel the way you do. If this is true I believe this an amazing scientific advance. There are so many ways this can be good for both heterosexual and homosexual couples alike.
You might want to watch the racial slurs. I honestly don't care about it, I keep them to myself; but other members here will take offense.
Ive never understood pro-gays, or now, pro-male pregnancies.
Like I said before, Im not religious, but now I can only say this-this is against God. Does it seem right to anyone that this monster is human? Does it seem right that two men should be in bed together? Or that men should have pregnancies and babies?
This is going too far. Way too far. Stem cell research is fine-its for a honorable cause to stop cancer and other terminal diseases. But this...this is twisted and gross. Someone and some people are going to be severely punished for pushing for this, as well as doing it.
Think about it. Its not right. There are things that humankind has done for thousands of years. Some things that are wrong have been stopped (slavery), some things that are right have been taken up (stem cell research).
If this issue is as serious as it gets, a technology available readily, it will become just another monumental debate over the world, just the way gays, abortion, illegit immigration and stem cell are right now.
What the hell is America doing? These issues are clearly signs of decaying in a country most powerful in the world. There are obvious answers to all of it-yet, there are **** that believe in an unholy, unhuman, unethical cause.
America is going to get run over by the EU and the chink (oh sorry, chinese) someday, if we keep going in this direction.
I dont know what ethinicity you are, Xyzzy. Yeah, everyone knows Im Korean. Xyzzy, there are some races in the world that are hated or hate each other. Yes, you wouldnt know the situation in Asia, but between those countries, Korea, Japan, and China, theres old wars, and old conflicts that weve never gotten over. And theres things that China does to Korea that are completely unacceptable. Look at the sizes and boundaries of the two countries-doesnt it look like Korea would be a natural part of China?
China wants Korea dead. China wants Korea to be erased from history. This is why, Xyzzy, I have so much pride in my country and why Im obsessed with it.
Yeah, you probably think Im a crazy @sshole. Yes, Im crazy, but Im crazy over Korea and its survival. Me calling China "chink" is nothing compared to what China has done, not said, to Korea.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:58 pm |
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Wrong!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERrlU67G ... ed&search=
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If it is agaisn't god, Then why did he make humans capable of creating this?
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:04 pm |
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Its against moral reasons. Just THINK for a moment. Does it SEEM right? NO!
Forget about "human rights" completely and think about it-does it SEEM right? NEVER.
Are you a Creationist?
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:06 pm |
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southkorea321 wrote: Its against moral reasons. Just THINK for a moment. Does it SEEM right? NO!
Forget about "human rights" completely and think about it-does it SEEM right? NEVER.
Are you a Creationist?
I see you point from you prior post
and no I am pro evolution
that is why I support this research
until it is outlawed I will be behind it
what most people don't realize is that medicine was punishable by death before
but see where it has gotten us now?
somethings will get shot down other things wont
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StaticX wrote: Wrong! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERrlU67G ... ed&search=@ Quote: Like I said before, Im not religious, but now I can only say this-this is against God. If it is agaisn't god, Then why did he make humans capable of creating this?
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:10 pm |
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lets not bring god into this -.-
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:11 pm |
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Xyzzzy wrote: southkorea321 wrote: Its against moral reasons. Just THINK for a moment. Does it SEEM right? NO!
Forget about "human rights" completely and think about it-does it SEEM right? NEVER.
Are you a Creationist? I see you point from you prior post and no I am pro evolution that is why I support this research until it is outlawed I will be behind it what most people don't realize is that medicine was punishable by death before but see where it has gotten us now? somethings will get shot down other things wont
Why? What will it bring? What in hell's name will pregnant men bring? An endless, endless controversy? New laws to "protect" these "human" babies? Conflicts between such "human" kids and normal kids? Or what? Scientific benefits? Medical advances?
Or how about a new rift in society, just like gays have become? A new, new group of people ultimately, forever seperated from normal human beings?
That the kind of benefits this "research" will bring?
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:12 pm |
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Xyzzzy wrote: what most people don't realize is that medicine was punishable by death before
but see where it has gotten us now?
Its caused the world to become over populated therefore speeding up global warming. We have avoided all the illnesses, now global warming is coming to even things out.
EDIT: you may have noticed i am a bit of a pessimist
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Luoma wrote: lets not bring god into this -.-
to late 
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southkorea321 wrote: Xyzzzy wrote: southkorea321 wrote: Its against moral reasons. Just THINK for a moment. Does it SEEM right? NO!
Forget about "human rights" completely and think about it-does it SEEM right? NEVER.
Are you a Creationist? I see you point from you prior post and no I am pro evolution that is why I support this research until it is outlawed I will be behind it what most people don't realize is that medicine was punishable by death before but see where it has gotten us now? somethings will get shot down other things wont Why? What will it bring? What in hell's name will pregnant men bring? An endless, endless controversy? New laws to "protect" these "human" babies? Conflicts between such "human" kids and normal kids? Or what? Scientific benefits? Medical advances? Or how about a new rift in society, just like gays have become? A new, new group of people ultimately, forever seperated from normal human beings? That the kind of benefits this "research" will bring?
It is only what you make of it.
People who view other races as inferior only believe it because they want to.
For all we know, this could become one of the most beneficial advances in a long time.
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Xyzzzy wrote: southkorea321 wrote: Xyzzzy wrote: southkorea321 wrote: Its against moral reasons. Just THINK for a moment. Does it SEEM right? NO!
Forget about "human rights" completely and think about it-does it SEEM right? NEVER.
Are you a Creationist? I see you point from you prior post and no I am pro evolution that is why I support this research until it is outlawed I will be behind it what most people don't realize is that medicine was punishable by death before but see where it has gotten us now? somethings will get shot down other things wont Why? What will it bring? What in hell's name will pregnant men bring? An endless, endless controversy? New laws to "protect" these "human" babies? Conflicts between such "human" kids and normal kids? Or what? Scientific benefits? Medical advances? Or how about a new rift in society, just like gays have become? A new, new group of people ultimately, forever seperated from normal human beings? That the kind of benefits this "research" will bring? It is only what you make of it. People who view other races as inferior only believe it because they want to. For all we know, this could become one of the most beneficial advances in a long time.
Now youre just dragging this whole thing by its feet. You still havent said why its such a "good thing" for the world. How is it beneficial?
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southkorea321 wrote: Xyzzzy wrote: southkorea321 wrote: Xyzzzy wrote: southkorea321 wrote: Its against moral reasons. Just THINK for a moment. Does it SEEM right? NO!
Forget about "human rights" completely and think about it-does it SEEM right? NEVER.
Are you a Creationist? I see you point from you prior post and no I am pro evolution that is why I support this research until it is outlawed I will be behind it what most people don't realize is that medicine was punishable by death before but see where it has gotten us now? somethings will get shot down other things wont Why? What will it bring? What in hell's name will pregnant men bring? An endless, endless controversy? New laws to "protect" these "human" babies? Conflicts between such "human" kids and normal kids? Or what? Scientific benefits? Medical advances? Or how about a new rift in society, just like gays have become? A new, new group of people ultimately, forever seperated from normal human beings? That the kind of benefits this "research" will bring? It is only what you make of it. People who view other races as inferior only believe it because they want to. For all we know, this could become one of the most beneficial advances in a long time. Now youre just dragging this whole thing by its feet. You still havent said why its such a "good thing" for the world. How is it beneficial?
Couples who can not get pregnant
male couples who want to be able to have their own baby
all I'm saying is we shouldn't shun it until we see how it affects the world
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Locketart wrote: Aside from the ethical reasons, if pregnant men can give birth to completely healthy babies, I see no problem with it. It would give couples a choice to who would carry the baby. Maybe there could be problems with the female: drinks, smokes, disease. This way the male could carry the baby and no teratogens would harm the fetus.
rational thinking...in 5 pages its so rare yet here you are
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southkorea321 wrote: Xyzzzy wrote: I don't feel the way you do. If this is true I believe this an amazing scientific advance. There are so many ways this can be good for both heterosexual and homosexual couples alike.
You might want to watch the racial slurs. I honestly don't care about it, I keep them to myself; but other members here will take offense. Ive never understood pro-gays, or now, pro-male pregnancies. Like I said before, Im not religious, but now I can only say this-this is against God. Does it seem right to anyone that this monster is human? Does it seem right that two men should be in bed together? Or that men should have pregnancies and babies? This is going too far. Way too far. Stem cell research is fine-its for a honorable cause to stop cancer and other terminal diseases. But this...this is twisted and gross. Someone and some people are going to be severely punished for pushing for this, as well as doing it. Think about it. Its not right. There are things that humankind has done for thousands of years. Some things that are wrong have been stopped (slavery), some things that are right have been taken up (stem cell research). If this issue is as serious as it gets, a technology available readily, it will become just another monumental debate over the world, just the way gays, abortion, illegit immigration and stem cell are right now. What the hell is America doing? These issues are clearly signs of decaying in a country most powerful in the world. There are obvious answers to all of it-yet, there are **** that believe in an unholy, unhuman, unethical cause. America is going to get run over by the EU and the chink (oh sorry, chinese) someday, if we keep going in this direction. I dont know what ethinicity you are, Xyzzy. Yeah, everyone knows Im Korean. Xyzzy, there are some races in the world that are hated or hate each other. Yes, you wouldnt know the situation in Asia, but between those countries, Korea, Japan, and China, theres old wars, and old conflicts that weve never gotten over. And theres things that China does to Korea that are completely unacceptable. Look at the sizes and boundaries of the two countries-doesnt it look like Korea would be a natural part of China? China wants Korea dead. China wants Korea to be erased from history. This is why, Xyzzy, I have so much pride in my country and why Im obsessed with it. Yeah, you probably think Im a crazy @sshole. Yes, Im crazy, but Im crazy over Korea and its survival. Me calling China "chink" is nothing compared to what China has done, not said, to Korea.
I suggest you shut you're trap because you're ignorance is taking offense to certain ppl. You should do some research before you open your mouth and preach your ignorant little speech. It's none of your beeswaz if he's gay, and it's none of your beeswaz if he's gonna have a baby. And Korea has done alot of bad things 2 so shut up.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:42 pm |
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XemnasXD wrote: Locketart wrote: Aside from the ethical reasons, if pregnant men can give birth to completely healthy babies, I see no problem with it. It would give couples a choice to who would carry the baby. Maybe there could be problems with the female: drinks, smokes, disease. This way the male could carry the baby and no teratogens would harm the fetus. rational thinking...in 5 pages its so rare yet here you are
You all also forgot that what if the baby is a girl and it has to Much Testosterone Genes. Won't this mess up her gene's and cause her to be alot harrier then the other girl's To that sort . or am i wrong? lol
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:43 pm |
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Stormprobe wrote: XemnasXD wrote: Locketart wrote: Aside from the ethical reasons, if pregnant men can give birth to completely healthy babies, I see no problem with it. It would give couples a choice to who would carry the baby. Maybe there could be problems with the female: drinks, smokes, disease. This way the male could carry the baby and no teratogens would harm the fetus. rational thinking...in 5 pages its so rare yet here you are You all also forgot that what if the baby is a girl and it has to Much Testosterone Genes. Won't this mess up her gene's and cause her to be alot harrier then the other girl's To that sort . or am i wrong? lol
Have you ever taken a biology course?
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