READING the minds of terrorists to know where and when the next attack will occur is no longer the stuff of sci-fi films.
A team from the Northwestern University in the US claim they have achieved 100 per cent accuracy in reading the minds of make-believe terrorists simply by attaching electrodes to their scalps and examining their brain waves.
For the study, 29 students were given mock terrorist plans and 30 minutes to learn about an attack on a certain US city.
They were asked to work out their own details based on information they were given regarding weapons and methods.
For the first study, the researchers also knew about the mock terrorist plans. Their goal was to monitor whether the students' brain waves gave away details of where and when the attacks were to take place.
According to psychology professor J. Peter Rosenfeld, the "guilty" patterns occur in "P300" brain waves when meaningful information is shown to a person with "guilty knowledge".
In this case, the "terrorists" were also had to write a letter outlining their plan in order to encode the plot deeper in their memories.
They were then told to watch monitors which presented a range of stimuli, such as the names of various US cities, including the one detailed in the attack plot.
Given this prior knowledge, researchers in the test were able to correlate the rise in brain wave activity to guilty knowledge with 100 per cent accuracy across all the students that participated.
What makes the result so impressive is that in a real-life situation, the knowledge would be much more deeper entrenched, given the months or years of planning that a participant would be subject to.
But how does such technology get used to save us from another 9/11?
Such testing would be done on people picked up on the basis of activity or "chatter", psychology Prof Rosenfeld said.
The investigators would have heard prior chatter that detailed specifics such as weapons, time and place and the P300 testing would be carried out on suspects in order to determine their level of culpability and confirm the details of the attack.
Obviously, that means authorities need some prior knowledge of an attack, but a more impressive result from another test hinted at a future whereby non-suspects could be scanned for potential crimes.
In the second range of tests, researchers had no idea what they were looking for.
"Without any prior knowledge of the planned crime in our mock terrorism scenarios, we were able to identify 10 out of 12 terrorists and, among them, 20 out of 30 crime- related details," he said.
"The test was 83 per cent accurate in predicting concealed knowledge, suggesting that our complex protocol could identify future terrorist activity."
we can throw the little privacy we have left out the window.
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:17 pm
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But the question is, can you convict someone of something that they haven't even committed yet?
What if I saw a movie about terrorist and the scientist picked up on that movie and they believed that the terrorist plans from the movie was created by me?
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:52 pm
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Sure reminds me of Minority Report in here.
Hey wasn't that that 5 hour movie in which nothing happened in over the whole 5 hours?
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Squirt wrote:
But the question is, can you convict someone of something that they haven't even committed yet?
What if I saw a movie about terrorist and the scientist picked up on that movie and they believed that the terrorist plans from the movie was created by me?
You can find clues that the person knows of an event about to happen and investigate on that matter. This has already been an idea for a long time. Especially for customs. But unless they can prove through a very extensive research that it is an effective method (which is far away),arresting for a mere thought is rubbish and they'll have to set up rules for interrogating/wasting time like that,warrant for brainstorming.
In minority report they really had a system that was apparantly fail proof or at least almost perfect until Tom Cruise came as an exception. When we can see what we think, it might become an option.
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:58 pm
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cry all you want about privacy rights..I honestly could care less as an individual because I know I don't do illegal/suspicious things. If the government has to spy on 1000 clean, honest individuals to catch 1 terrorist who could have killed a lot of people, then that is a necessary evil.
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:18 pm
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Jstar1 wrote:
cry all you want about privacy rights..I honestly could care less as an individual because I know I don't do illegal/suspicious things. If the government has to spy on 1000 clean, honest individuals to catch 1 terrorist who could have killed a lot of people, then that is a necessary evil.
Go get micro chipped while you're at it and let the government have access to your whole fkn life. You narrow-minded simpleton...how can you not see the big picture? The time will come where you cant even sneeze without the government knowing about it. Is that the world you want to live in? And no, its not a conspiracy. Do some research.
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:53 pm
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Jstar1 wrote:
cry all you want about privacy rights..I honestly could care less as an individual because I know I don't do illegal/suspicious things. If the government has to spy on 1000 clean, honest individuals to catch 1 terrorist who could have killed a lot of people, then that is a necessary evil.
it doesnt matter what you do and what you know you dont do. if they can "see the future" than they can determine that circumstances drove you to do something you wouldnt normally. all that matters is what they claim to "know." one who gives up freedom for security deserves neither. communist.
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:58 pm
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it isn't right for the government to spy on innocent people but when national security hangs on the line, the government needs to make sure to catch terrorists or state spies. And there needs to be some trust between the people and the government..every time theres some news about big government, people start screaming big brother and cry that the new world order is taking over. Why can't people trust the government more? Relationship between the governed and governors needs to be a two way street.
And most people I know who are against government spying are also the ones who do illegal things, like smoke pot, underage drinking, etc etc. It seems to me that these people are just angry that they are going to get caught doing something thats ILLEGAL. I know I'm not going to do anything illegal or something suspicious that will get the CIA breathing down my neck..they can watch me all they want, I don't care. How can the government catch terrorists or keep an eye on home-grown terrorists, extremist groups, their family members and friends, etc etc if it keeps its eyes completely closed in the name of privacy rights? All those people that the government caught who were trying to kill obama or mass murder people..all of them were apprehended through close monitoring.
Just because the government CAN spy on every single person in america doesn't mean they actually ARE going to..if you join an extremist group, participate in extremist rallies, or decide to visit mosques run by known muslim extremists...well be my guest and get spied on. If your just a regular joe..why would they spy on you? I already said, we should try to understand and trust the government.
Most people working in federal departments are just regular people too, most are trying to better the nation. Is that so difficult to understand?
EDIT: Oh and btw, most people who cry about big government are really just contradicting themselves horribly. Think about federally inspected drugs, federally maintained roads, federally inspected automobiles, federally monitored airspace, federally inspected beef, meat, eggs, federally run intelligence agencies, federally run postal service, etc etc...there are already many things that people don't really pay attention to that are run by the federal government. I mean if people hate federally monitored spy agencies, why don't they cry about federally inspected meat? What about drugs? The inspected cars that the government makes sure are safe to drive? All these can thereoretically be run by state governments too. Its called double standard.
tl:dr don't bother responding to this post if you're too lazy to read all of it.
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:13 pm
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tell you what. as soon as the government stops lying and hiding things from the people then they should be eligible for more transparancy from citizens.
i dont do illegal shit, im totally agaisnt the excuse of terror taking away my rights. that in and of itself is terrorism. and btw that is the plan behind any terrorism. not to kill or hurt anyone, but to cause the society to collapse on itself. thanks to the propaganda goblers it works just fine.
you wanna talk about terrorists. what EXACTLY defines a terrorist? you are aware that pretty much anyone can be made to be a terrorist. it doesnt take much.
you need to realize, if they can do it to another person, they can do it to you.
the government ISNT THE NATION, the citizens ARE! so no, giving government rights above the citizens is not the answer. if they can tell you what to do in one aspect of your life whats to stop them in any other aspect?
btw, lets take september 11th as an example. there has been evidence brought forth that there was warnings for weeks in advanced and no steps were taken as preventative then. why all of a sudden are they so concerned with preventing shit.
btw2 this thread isnt about that shit. its about people claiming they can tell anyone what the WILL do. if thats that case than again, anyone can be targeted and how do you dispute it?
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:56 pm
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tell them to find Osama bin hiding and strap some electrodes onto him.. should reveal where he is hiding his weapons of mass destruction (probably a couple of ak47s)
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:55 am
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Jstar1 wrote:
cry all you want about privacy rights..I honestly could care less as an individual because I know I don't do illegal/suspicious things. If the government has to spy on 1000 clean, honest individuals to catch 1 terrorist who could have killed a lot of people, then that is a necessary evil.
Ray Bradbury and George Orwell was right, the future is scary.
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:56 am
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Jstar1 wrote:
cry all you want about privacy rights..I honestly could care less as an individual because I know I don't do illegal/suspicious things. If the government has to spy on 1000 clean, honest individuals to catch 1 terrorist who could have killed a lot of people, then that is a necessary evil.
Ray Bradbury and George Orwell was right, the future is scary.
+1. I really want to read 1984, lol.
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